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Mar 20 2022 12:35pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Mar 20 2022 06:33pm)
yeah but "you say so" too + shitmulti, and Tanks are very close now, so ?


I did not understand anything. please don't engage in conversation, grenouille.
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Quote (thundercock @ Mar 20 2022 02:30pm)
You're not understanding their analysis. They are saying that Russia needs to ESCALATE in order to accomplish their objectives. Right now, Russia is INCAPABLE of accomplishing their objectives and we're at a stalemate. I've said this several times before: half a million troops should do the trick. In order to accomplish their objectives, they need to have CLEAN supply lines established in Belarus, Kursk, Rostov, and Crimea. How long did it take for Russia to amass the current amount of troops to those places? It took over a year. You can't just teleport all these supplies.

This is a Washington think tank that is full of people who understand and have fought wars. What's your alternative? Should we listen to people who haven't fought in wars?


As far as I know, i didn't see a timeline from Russia in how much time it's appropriate to accomplish their objectives. We don't even fully know what their objectives are nor do we know what a frozen stalemate means for them nor Ukraine.

There's too many assumptions being ascribed here.

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As far as I know, i didn't see a timeline from Russia in how much time it's appropriate to accomplish their objectives. We don't even fully know what their objectives are nor do we know what a frozen stalemate means for them nor Ukraine.

There's too many assumptions being ascribed here.


to be honest I think its not unreasonable to suggest that Russia was expecting to be in a much better position by this point.
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Quote (SanduLungu @ 20 Mar 2022 18:35)
I did not understand anything. please don't engage in conversation, grenouille.


Can't you see the beautiful "Z" russian tanks from your window ? They are here to liberate you.
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Mar 20 2022 12:42pm
Quote (ferdia @ Mar 20 2022 02:38pm)
to be honest I think its not unreasonable to suggest that Russia was expecting to be in a much better position by this point.


I agree but if we critically think about it, that doesn't mean they will just abandon this campaign and just go home. It's the sunk cost fallacy in play. I would be very happy if Putin tomorrow decided to cave and announce some deal where very minimal gains have been made i.e. only that Ukraine won't join NATO and all Russian troops go home. Probability of that happening is low IMO, and I rather have a sober assessment of what might happen instead of trying to believe the most optimal outcome will happen.
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Mar 20 2022 12:45pm
100% will not abandon campaign. ultimately they want the strongest hand when negotiating with Ukraine. can someone link me to the relevant ISW topic /googling now /e cant find it re: "abandon campaign".

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Mar 20 2022 12:50pm
Russia can abandon easily because Putin can easily be held reponsible.
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that makes no sense. Putin IS Russia. i dont see him being removed from office. Ukraine is do or die for him (from his vantage point). ofc putin holds responsibility (note, as you know, my caveat is that i did not say that he holds all responsibility). that does not equate to: ergo they Putin/Russia can abandon this war.

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that makes no sense. Putin IS Russia. i dont see him being removed from office.


Putin is the best excuse for those who will replace him.
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well thats true.
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