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Quote (fender @ Aug 7 2018 12:08pm)
and you think hackers work for free?!


noooo..

He just wants foreign governments to commit cyber attacks on US future candidates, and negotiate what they'd get in return out of it.

I have np with that, fine for democracy. Similar to what about Bernie getting a bottle of wine from his Australian colleagues, or whatever.



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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-07/manafort-judge-to-prosecutor-there-s-tears-in-your-eyes

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“Look at me when you’re talking to me,’’ Ellis said to Andres.

“I’m sorry, judge, I was,’’ Andres said.

“No, you weren’t,’’ Ellis said. “You were looking down.’’

“Because I don’t want to get in trouble for some facial expression,’’ the prosecutor said. “I don’t want to get yelled at again by the court for having some facial expression when I’m not doing anything wrong, but trying my case.’’

Ellis said to another prosecutor: “You must be quiet.’’

“I’m sorry, judge,’’ Andres said.

“Well, I understand how frustrated you are. In fact, there’s tears in your eyes right now.’’

“There are not tears in my eyes, Judge,’’ Andres said.

“Well, they’re watery,’’ Ellis said. “Look, I want you to focus sharply on what you need to prove -- to prove the crime. And I don’t understand what a lot of these questions have to do with it.’
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Quote (IceMage @ Aug 7 2018 06:48am)
This judge seems like a cunt.

day 5 summary:
https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1026646957253644288


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Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 7 2018 04:16am)
Because that statute only applies to things of monetary value.
If a prosecutor attempted to extend 'things of value' to mean information, the prosecution would violate half the fucking constitution. It would be struck down on vagueness doctrine- the statute is unconstitutionally vague and the courts would give it a limited construction to say that 'things of value' refers only to things of monetary value, returning you to square one. It would be struck down as a violation of the 1st amendment. The government cannot pass laws that regulate forms of expression and pure non-commercial information as a campaign finance. And if it were applied as such, it would mean that half the journalists and political consultants in America have violated FEC rules and would need to be locked up, because just interviewing a non-citizen or holding a conversation would be a violation. It would be struck down as an ex post facto redefinition of a statute to retroactively apply to something that was not a crime at the time. And even though all that, its a statute with a minor penalty that has been historically punished with a slap on the wrist. Bernie Sanders was already fined by the FEC for receiving a 'thing of value' in the form of in-kind donations from the Australian Labor Party in the 2016 election; they sent volunteers to knock on doors using their own funding. He got fined $14,500. It didn't even make page 5 of the papers.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%91%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C_1920-%D0%B5_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B.jpg/220px-%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%91%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F%2C_1920-%D0%B5_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B.jpg

'show me the man', right?


opposition research is absolutely a thing of monetary value. But I agree (with bold), it's not anything that merits impeachment. Just saying it's pretty clear case of a Federal election violation...
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Quote (Horford @ Aug 7 2018 03:31pm)
opposition research is absolutely a thing of monetary value. But I agree (with bold), it's not anything that merits impeachment. Just saying it's pretty clear case of a Federal election violation...


What happened to the time when a cyber attack on the US' democracy was an act of war ?

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What happened to the time when a cyber attack on the US' democracy was an act of war ?


maybe a cyber attack to shutdown power grid is not the same than stealing informations
on the other hand when it's about to hack those voting machines, im not sure.
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Aug 7 2018 08:37am
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What happened to the time when a cyber attack on the US' democracy was an act of war ?



You don't understand. Hillary is literally the devil, so anything that stopped her is legal.
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Aug 7 2018 08:39am
Quote (Knoppie @ Aug 7 2018 09:33am)
What happened to the time when a cyber attack on the US' democracy was an act of war ?


I think if Russia changed votes, or disrupted systems on election day, it would be an act of war. I'm not sure if what they did in 2016 qualifies though...
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