Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 28 2023 04:55pm)

I bring it up repeatedly in response to "well the west moved towards russia so that's why the war is happening" posts. that's why Putin says the war is happening, yet no one seems to talk about the unsaid reasons its happening. and no one seems to want to be critical of putin's claim that's the only reason its happening.

as he grins to himself because the handshake agreement and LITERAL NAZIS OMG NAZIS ARE BACK narratives dominate the topic.

no one talks about how Ukraine was falling from Russian influence even previous to the CIA coup and would have flipped western in a few years anyways based on trends. they just say "cia did a coup so its our fault". as if we marched in with 25,000 soldiers, rather than just providing minimal support for the already western friendly minority govt and voters. again, no nuance.

i'd love to talk nuance and specifics, sadly its stopped every time by lazy idiots. "well we did go east so that's that", "well the CIA did provide support so that's that", "well biden brokered an oil deal, so that's that". its almost like renewed cold war tensions in a proxy war inside a country with shifting demographics are complex, and cant be simplified to the 1 sentence justification Putin supplies. which is like, my whole point all along.

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 28 2023 04:54pm)

The Republic of Ireland is a country <- where i live
Northern Ireland is, for want of a better expression, a country <- not where i live
they are not the same country (much to the ire of shinners).

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 28 2023 04:59pm)

Russia not willing to compromise on annexed territories.

"The Kremlin’s spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, has said that Russia is open to negotiations to end the conflict in Ukraine, but insisted Moscow would “never compromise” on what he described as new “territorial realities”.
Speaking to reporters during a regular briefing, Peskov said Moscow would not renounce its claims to four Ukrainian regions that Vladimir Putin annexed in September."

Reports of long range drone strikes inside Russia by Ukraine.
A Russia reconnaissance plane was destroyed days ago in Belarus, supposedly by a Belarussian resistance group.

So what is China actually doing on the Ukraine war. They are advocating a peace agreement, but are they also planning to supply lethal military aid to Russia?



Notice I said, your island.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 28 2023 04:59pm)

Russia not willing to compromise on annexed territories.

"The Kremlin’s spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, has said that Russia is open to negotiations to end the conflict in Ukraine, but insisted Moscow would “never compromise” on what he described as new “territorial realities”.
Speaking to reporters during a regular briefing, Peskov said Moscow would not renounce its claims to four Ukrainian regions that Vladimir Putin annexed in September."

Reports of long range drone strikes inside Russia by Ukraine.
A Russia reconnaissance plane was destroyed days ago in Belarus, supposedly by a Belarussian resistance group.

So what is China actually doing on the Ukraine war. They are advocating a peace agreement, but are they also planning to supply lethal military aid to Russia?



Notice I said, your island. I know your seeking accession into the Russian federation; They are not taking the Donbas and Guinness.

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 28 2023 05:00pm)

but its not my island, i/we share this island with another country!



Ukraine will NEVER get back the land Russia has taken from them. EVER. This is the cost of decisions made by Ukraine over the last 15 years. is this fair? NO. is this reality ? YES.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 28 2023 05:03pm)

That's a huge speculation.

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 28 2023 05:04pm)

I invite you to find 5 people in this topic that believe my statement wrong.

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 28 2023 05:04pm)

I invite you to find 5 people in this topic that believe my statement wrong.

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 28 2023 10:59am)

it has already been said that ukraine was ever moving westwards ideologically and, while slow, it was happening. it has also been said that there was no need for the US backed coup in 2014 and if the US had simply let nature take its course ukraine today would be closer to the EU (and intact, with Crimea).

also and i am sorry but i see a window of attack (apologies my friend!) "well biden did blow up NS2 and thats that".

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 28 2023 05:06pm)

I invite you to predict more of the future; What are this weeks lottery numbers?

May I refer to you as mystic mac?

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 28 2023 05:06pm)

it has been said by me too. the coup was stupid.

the issue is pretending that if we didn't do a coup, if we didn't "move east", if biden didnt get an oil deal for his kid, etc. If all that didnt happen, that the war wouldnt still happen.

if we remove all of the wests' actions, and Ukraine simply moves towards western influence, Putin still moves in before they can apply for NATO membership. this is evident from the "russian nationals" excuses.

because as soon as a pro-western govt took power "democratically" in quotes because the elections are corrupt anyways, a separatist govt forms, putin supports it financially, and the ukrainian govt starts the civil war just as they did in eastern regions where the separatists take hold.

what we did was bad, wrong, and stupid. but it doesnt change the end result.

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 28 2023 05:07pm)

There is such a thing as cause and effect. I refer you to my first post wherein i predicted this war before it began. using logic you can look at a situation and deduce what will (or is likely) happen next. The impression you are giving me is that you do not agree with this logical thinking, which is why you dont understand the concept of geographical red lines "you do that and we invade".



if ukraine moved westwards but did not move to join nato - we will never know now what russia would have done.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 28 2023 05:03pm)

I think its too early to predict the outcome of the military situation 2023.

Quote (ferdia @ 28 Feb 2023 18:00)

Ukraine will NEVER get back the land Russia has taken from them. EVER. This is the cost of decisions made by Ukraine over the last 15 years. is this fair? NO. is this reality ? YES.

As previously mentioned, and supported by video's, it is not in Chinese interests to supply Russia with weapons.