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Feb 28 2023 10:34am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 28 2023 04:21pm)
No accident, its divide and conquer in my opinion. Ireland and also Scotland were final bastions of the British empire after the 1950's. Look how they left other former territories.
Partition India/Pakistan.
Advocate Israeli state/Palestine.
Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland.

Scotland might be unique because of the land border of Scotland and England. We have a split of people who identify as British and people who identify as Scottish, similar to Northern Ireland I imagine. We have an added vector in alot English people who live/study in Scotland.


As related to the United Kingdoms, it needs to be understood that basically what England did was, conquer these countries but NOT subsume them into a single England. This could be (in some quarters) regarded as a mistake by England, and in other quarters be simply accepted at face value as a historical record. Scotland is currently pushing for independence. England knows that a Scotland, outside of the United Kingdoms, would weaken the remaining "Union" of countries and therefore is dangling a carrot to Scotland (while trying to block the legal mechanism of a vote for independence). IN THIS REGARD if you accept Scotland is a Sovereign INDEPENDENT country then you should be complaining about England who are trying to block this from happening.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 28 2023 04:23pm)
By that moral compass there ought to be no derision with the US/NATO influencing and membering up former soviet states.
Russia is a regional power with a global powers nuclear arsenal. As proven by the war in Ukraine.

Russia's "power" is far from 1:1 with the US.


Morality has nothing to do with anything in geopolitical affairs and no where in my post did i say that invading a country, or a bully telling someone smaller what to do is moral. not liking something does not mean that it does not happen every day though. As you said Russia is a regional power, the region being "Russia" (its a big region). They are isolationist, not expansionist. they do not have army bases all over the world and they are not trying to take someone elses cake. China is trying to do that, America is trying to do that, Russia is not.

Also Russia's and China's military power are far inferior to that of the US, and therefore the US is top dog. Russia and China accept this. Russia is not doing anything about it (isolationist) while China is. The US has brought alot of good to the world but ignoring the bad is silly.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 28 2023 03:48pm)
You obviously don't have a high level of education :rofl:
Tell me you didn't use something invented by a Scottish person today. Go on, tell me. I'll wait.

You don't even understand what the United Kingdom is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries

What highly educated country are you from?


Dear christ... When you gotta reread to make sure its not an idiotic vomit of words but a troll post and you get disappointed
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 28 2023 04:32pm)
What's the point to continually bring up that it wasn't legal and binding other than as some sort of exception clause? It doesn't justify the world but ignoring it that it's a central reason why the war is happening is dishonest.



I don't think you do. Before the Scottish became domesticated house cats they fought against British dominance. Just because many years later they accepted being ruled by London doesn't change the historic reality of how Scotland was folded into the dominion. Scotland is to England as Ukraine is to Russia. The English wouldn't accept the USSR funneling independence movements just like today Russia is chaffing at the west trying to rip Ukraine from it's sphere.

Might is right is the truest and most fundamental principle in this world today. That's why we can go into a country like Iraq under the pretense of WMDs and find out a few months later there are no WMD's and stay there regardless for 9 years killing 300k civilians in the process and no one in the civilized world sanctions us or gives a fuck, because we run the world.


Awful understanding of history and the current. To be expected though from a yank. Considering you have about 250 years of your own history :rofl:

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Dear diary :D

Tell us you didn't use a scottish invention today, or agree we are a little more enlightened than tou gave us credit for ?

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As related to the United Kingdoms, it needs to be understood that basically what England did was, conquer these countries but NOT subsume them into a single England. This could be (in some quarters) regarded as a mistake by England, and in other quarters be simply accepted at face value as a historical record. Scotland is currently pushing for independence. England knows that a Scotland, outside of the United Kingdoms, would weaken the remaining "Union" of countries and therefore is dangling a carrot to Scotland (while trying to block the legal mechanism of a vote for independence). IN THIS REGARD if you accept Scotland is a Sovereign INDEPENDENT country then you should be complaining about England who are trying to block this from happening.



Morality has nothing to do with anything in geopolitical affairs and no where in my post did i say that invading a country, or a bully telling someone smaller what to do is moral. not liking something does not mean that it does not happen every day though. As you said Russia is a regional power, the region being "Russia" (its a big region). They are isolationist, not expansionist. they do not have army bases all over the world and they are not trying to take someone elses cake. China is trying to do that, America is trying to do that, Russia is not.

Also Russia's and China's power are from from the US in terms of military capabilities, and therefore the US is top dog. The US has brought alot of good to the world but ignoring the bad is silly.


Ireland was dominated militarily afaik. It's also true the William defeated the jacobites of scotland and Ireland in war.
However the union of Scotland and England is a union, not an occupation.
The first king of Great Britain (scotland and england pre act of union) was the Scottish king, king James.
Imagine that.

The act of union occured because the scottish nobility bankrupt itself trying to colonize what is now modern day Panama.
No, seriously.

Google the Darien scheme, its mental.


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Feb 28 2023 10:44am
Repeatedly highlighting Scottish inventions, while informative, does not win a debate as related to war. Neither does grandstanding over what the United Kingdoms is and how it operates win any points. The counter argument, if anyone cared, would be to highlight Iraq's scientific achievements which while amazing, was A LONG TIME AGO (and unfortunately led astray by religion). England currently seeks to Veto/Deny another Scottish Independence vote (i.e. that the Bully in the schoolyard is alive and well in England) and while this does not undermine the notion of a happy union, it enforces the principal of might is right.

i am not saying might is right, but rather that this is how the world works.

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Repeatedly highlighting Scottish inventions, while informative, does not win a debate as related to war. Neither does grandstanding over what the United Kingdoms is and how it operates win any points. The counter argument, if anyone cared, would be to highlight Iraq's scientific achievements (to suggest that THIS WAS A LONG TIME AGO) as well as to highlight that England seeks to Veto/Deny another Scottish Independence vote (i.e. that the Bully in the schoolyard is alive and well in England).


The guy attacked me for being Scottish, had to put him in his place. Your not a moderator dude put the kettle on.
Gimps using our language and using our inventions then calling Scots uneducated? Are they auditioning for a new Monty python sketch :rofl:

Stormont hasn't been functioning since may 2022? Get them to sort your island out before you comment on ours :D

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The guy attacked me for being Scottish, had to put him in his place. Your not a moderator dude put the kettle on.

Gimps using our language and using our inventions then calling Scots uneducated? Are they auditioning for a new Monty python sketch :rofl:


i drink chocolate milk. not tea :)
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i drink chocolate milk. not tea :)


Stormont hasn't been functioning since may 2022? Get them to sort your island out before you comment on ours :D

Irelands contribution to planet earth - "The Natural History Museum lists Irish botanist Hans Sloane as the inventor of drinking chocolate with milk."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_milk

Hans, a fine Irish name.

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Stormont hasn't been functioning since may 2022? Get them to sort your island out before you comment on ours :D

Irelands contribution to planet earth - "The Natural History Museum lists Irish botanist Hans Sloane as the inventor of drinking chocolate with milk."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_milk

Hans, a fine Irish name.


The Republic of Ireland is a country <- where i live
Northern Ireland is, for want of a better expression, a country <- not where i live
they are not the same country (much to the ire of shinners).

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 28 2023 10:32am)
What's the point to continually bring up that it wasn't legal and binding other than as some sort of exception clause? It doesn't justify the war* but ignoring it that it's a central reason why the war is happening is dishonest.


I bring it up repeatedly in response to "well the west moved towards russia so that's why the war is happening" posts. that's why Putin says the war is happening, yet no one seems to talk about the unsaid reasons its happening. and no one seems to want to be critical of putin's claim that's the only reason its happening.

as he grins to himself because the handshake agreement and LITERAL NAZIS OMG NAZIS ARE BACK narratives dominate the topic.

no one talks about how Ukraine was falling from Russian influence even previous to the CIA coup and would have flipped western in a few years anyways based on trends. they just say "cia did a coup so its our fault". as if we marched in with 25,000 soldiers, rather than just providing minimal support for the already western friendly minority govt and voters. again, no nuance.

i'd love to talk nuance and specifics, sadly its stopped every time by lazy idiots. "well we did go east so that's that", "well the CIA did provide support so that's that", "well biden brokered an oil deal, so that's that". its almost like renewed cold war tensions in a proxy war inside a country with shifting demographics are complex, and cant be simplified to the 1 sentence justification Putin supplies. which is like, my whole point all along.
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