You obviously don't have a high level of education
Tell me you didn't use something invented by a Scottish person today. Go on, tell me. I'll wait.

You don't even understand what the United Kingdom is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries

What highly educated country are you from?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 28 2023 09:52am

loool

„look at us, we not that stupid u think!“

fo real?

Grammar. History speaks for itself.
Your not from the UK, why you using our lanuage?

This is what good water and generations of not oppressing women leads to, precedence.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 28 2023 09:55am

because we lost the war?

€: im german

This is what good water and generations of not oppressing women leads to, precedence

wearing skirts?😅 €: kilts ofc, not skirts 😜

This post was edited by Bananii on Feb 28 2023 09:58am

To minimize that hand shake agreement as if that somehow makes okay our creep eastward to their border is silly, and it's one of the primary reasons why Ukraine is in an all out war currently and the whole of central Europe is destabilized. It kind of reminds me of post WW1 treatment of Germany and somehow being surprised that the specific treatment directly led to the economic and social conditions that spawned fascism.

The US won the cold war, and as the USSR was collapsing, we made these promises to make that collapse as smooth and painless as possible for everyone involved really. There really was no need to pen these agreements because the evil empire was dead and we were the victors with nothing left to fight over, both sides understanding this with the USSR in no position to ask for conditions. There also was no threat to many of these countries in central Europe, because the USSR and Communism were dead. Instead we continued to add these countries to our military alliance not because they were threatened or there was some impending war but because we wanted control. Of course they were happy to agree because there were so many economic carrots attached to this proposition. It's the equivalent of going to some back water, economically comatose town and saying hey we want to build these huge money making businesses in your town that will bring billions of dollars to your economy and every one will be given jobs making 200% more than you are now, are you in? Is it a mystery why Romania or Poland or the Baltics would want to join with their shitty reeling economies when the US/EU are coming in promising billions in investments & loans, which are obviously tied to being 'one of us' both in economic as well as military alliance terms.

So fast forward to early 2000s, Russia is still not in any position or has any appetite to dominate anyone but they see this military alliance creep, as a result they start to get more defensive and start rebuilding they military in response. As a result it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because well look the Russians are once again being militaristic therefore the 'defensive' military alliance that's continuously growing is justified for protective and defensive reasons. Never mind the fact that we were growing this alliance before they started their military buildup.

But to your point that because there wasn't some sort of binding agreement or accord therefore we were okay to do this is dishonest of how powers talk to each other. There was an understanding that we won and they lost but they will get to keep their sphere of influence mostly of its satellite ex-soviet states and then have these other central European states act as buffers. We reneged on this in the late 90s because we said fuck it we won and we run the world. Just like today we are saying it fuck it, we run the world therefore what we say is more important and goes all across the globe, weather its Ukraine, Taiwan, Syria, Iraq, Solomon Islands, etc. There are no regional powers to push back, it's just us and what we say goes.

Fuck the United States for a minute, you don't think what Ukrainians want is even important? Russia expects them to roll over and capitulate.

a very good post.



you are referring to the enticing carrot offered by Nato and the EU to Ukraine and ignoring the whole sphere of influence thinking. The US has a sphere of influence and have it enshrined in their laws that if anyone tried to do what the US is doing with Ukraine, to the likes of Canada, Cuba or Mexico, the US would react just as Russia is.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 28 2023 10:05am

Big dicks gotta breathe. Now explain this





No it isin't. Nobody outside of Russia owes the Kremlin anything.



This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 28 2023 10:05am

see my edit above, i responded to you but here it is again:

you are referring to the enticing carrot offered by Nato and the EU to Ukraine and ignoring the whole sphere of influence thinking. The US has a sphere of influence and have it enshrined in their laws that if anyone tried to do what the US is doing with Ukraine, to the likes of Canada, Cuba or Mexico, the US would react just as Russia is.

Yes Ukraine is its own country. Just like ireland is. But if Ireland were to suddenly form a military alliance with say, China, the EU WOULD NOT STAND FOR IT.

Ultimately smaller parties have less bargaining power then larger parties. thats why the school bully gets all the sweets and why certain trade deals favor the larger block. this is pretty basic logic.

Ukraine is beside Russia. Russia is bigger. this is a hard fact. the world is not fair and when you make a decision for your country you need to accept that some people (or countries) wont like it, and therefore you dont want to do stuff that will make the guy beside you hate you. its called good diplomacy, which is something completely lacking in Ukraine as related to Russia, over the last 15 years.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 28 2023 10:10am

Not exactly. The US has a global military empire of installations and capabilities. That's just how it is; The US and Russia are not 1:1 on anything except for nuclear weapons.
What you are implying is a speculative fallacy and shouldn't have a bearing on the debate at hand. Or, its not accurate to say: If Mexico joined the Russian federation then the US would be pissed.