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Feb 28 2023 04:28am
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 28 2023 04:02am)
In the case of Ukrainian NATO membership obviously you mindless drone.

FACTS https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html


Bear in mind NATO is de facto laying claim to Russia's naval base. Just the kind of impotent kind of claims the north koreans can make over the moon. Its not like Zelensky is leader of an independent, sovereign power. As long as NATO masters run the show and the official state position is that they claim sovereignty over Crimea, its de facto NATO laying claim to that which they never possessed nor are anywhere close to seizing
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Quote (fender @ Feb 28 2023 02:58am)
unfortunately for you, your posts still exist, so everyone can read your fails, kremlin bot. no need to pretend you weren't THAT wrong, when your posts prove the opposite, when they show how you uncritically accepted every single stupid kremlin narrative along the way, from 'they would never attack, it's all just western disinformation' to 'they are trying to de-nazify ukraine' (with nazi mercenaries btw) to 'they are just liberating their own people'... there wasn't an excuse dumb or flimsy enough for you not to make. you went all-in on trying to downplay / justify pootin's murdering of women and children, his destruction of a whole country in order to add some territories to his rotten empire.

but hey, maybe telling me to fight in ukraine (?!), vaccine conspiracies (?!), and hilariously ironic projections about my grandfather (?!) will somehow distract from the fact that you're just another kremlin NPC, trying to bothsides the murder of innocent civilians. pathetic really...

you can't re-write history, ampootin. you can try, but everyone here sees you for what you truly are, kremlin bot.


are you really using the term vaccine conspiracy?

just a reminder, you believed the batsoup bullshit, swallowed all big pharma lies, supported useless measures like lockdowns, you thought its over with 2 jabs, that it stops the spread and only evil antivaxxers prolonged the pandemic, every single bit of it WRONG

you covid karens vanished like a submarine and exchanged the syringe in your status with a ukraine flag as if nothing happened

turns out you are a solid 0/10 just like in other discussions as well, but i am sure you are totally nailing it this time :rofl:

p.s: highest excess mortality since the war, including peak "pandemic", but lets talk about pooootin REEEEEEEEEEE

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Feb 28 2023 05:47am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 27 2023 09:17pm)
Ok now you are going back to how you talk three months back.

Let me explain my point of view.

Whether is there a Chinese base in Solomon Islands or not is a decision that is made between two sovereign countries in a strategic partnership.
The same can be said between Ukraine and Nato / EU it is their sovereign decision and their government's decision.

Whether the US /Australia or Russia feeling threaten has got nothing to do with Sovereign nations making their own decisions.
That being said, because these are superpowers we are talking about, they work in a different manner and more often than not, goes against the United Nations and rules that are being laid out. This is a reality, it is something we cannot prevent.
That is why I would like to have more Super powers, USA , EU ( without NATO ) , Russia , Asean , United Africa and even United South America to keep everyone in check.

To understand why some of us are Anti West, which we are not. We are just Anti US Government.
I don't see the Chinese or even us in South East Asia being Anti EU, Anti Australia, Anti Scotland etc etc. This is where I think you get it quite wrong. It is not Anti West. It is Anti US Government.

The Vietnam war was a pragmatic move by the United States, a lot of people are against it , but there are also some of us who are happy that it happened. Because it prevented and exhausted the Red Wave from moving down South to Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia.

The Ukraine war is , in my opinion is a Democrat led event and I look at it more as a personal reason to trigger it by some bigwigs in the American political scene rather then something strategic.

Like I said, although Trump is not the most savvy President. He would have prevented it from happening. And Putin would have sat down and made some arrangements and negotiations and this wouldn't have happened.

This is just my opinion.

As for China and Taiwan. It is basically and technically a North and South Korea.
It is a ceasefire.

North and South Korea will reunify one day , whether in the next 50 or 100 years they will still reunify.
The same goes for China and Taiwan.

The only numbers we will be concern with is how many people will be dead if the reunification isn't peaceful.

And if a reunification in Taiwan happens in 2030.

I will wait for the world to sanction China and Hong Kong so the property market will collapse aboud 60% to 70% so I can grab a few . Because I am leaving some cash in Hong Kong and moving 80
% of what I have back to Singapore.


Thanks for the response.
While I can find some common ground on being anti US government. In particular the lobbying arrangement, industrial complexes eg. healthcare, military, prison system, the global interventionism; All of those constructs I detest.
I will pushback on the "anti west" comment. While I don't think Chinese people for example are "anti west" I do think the CCP, Russia's regime, Iranian regime and many of the middle eastern monarchies are very opposed to Western values.

Obviously it is not about right or wrong and there is value in accepting different views; I genuinely see the importance of personal freedom and liberty taking priority over the "collective goal" to coin a term. Something that I think is a pillar of western values. Yes I completely understand the flaws of the capitalist western system and its propensity to inequality. Yes I also think that democracy is flawed; I would still consider peaceful transfer of power via democracy as something valuable about western values.

I am not really informed enough to comment further on the Taiwan/China situation. I require more reading on the matter.
On the Ukraine/Russia situation. While I agree there are legitimate security concerns for Russia, I do not agree they are as existential as some would argue; I also do not accept those concerns warrant a full scale invasion of another country.

It is clear to me that there are secondary motives for Putin's invasion. I believe there are many; I believe that one vector relates to the "Arab spring" events and also the second Iraq war. I don't think it is a coincidence that after those events Putins position on Ukraine changed. Authoritarian regimes were deposed by popular revolt and also by the US and coalition forces forcibly removing Saddams regime.
Those events, in my opinion played an important process in changing Putin's outlook on Ukraine; I think it led him to believe that his own position as the poster boy of authoritarianism was not as secure as he initially believed.
This idea is only one of a variety of factors that I believe led Russia to invade Ukraine but it appears to often be overlooked.
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Feb 28 2023 06:04am
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 28 2023 05:02am)


You are clueless

Haha


You are delusional.
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Feb 28 2023 06:43am
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 28 2023 10:28am)
Bear in mind NATO is de facto laying claim to Russia's naval base. Just the kind of impotent kind of claims the north koreans can make over the moon. Its not like Zelensky is leader of an independent, sovereign power. As long as NATO masters run the show and the official state position is that they claim sovereignty over Crimea, its de facto NATO laying claim to that which they never possessed nor are anywhere close to seizing


No, no they are not. Perhaps in your mind NATO is doing that.
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Feb 28 2023 07:21am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 28 Feb 2023 19:47)
Thanks for the response.
While I can find some common ground on being anti US government. In particular the lobbying arrangement, industrial complexes eg. healthcare, military, prison system, the global interventionism; All of those constructs I detest.
I will pushback on the "anti west" comment. While I don't think Chinese people for example are "anti west" I do think the CCP, Russia's regime, Iranian regime and many of the middle eastern monarchies are very opposed to Western values.

Obviously it is not about right or wrong and there is value in accepting different views; I genuinely see the importance of personal freedom and liberty taking priority over the "collective goal" to coin a term. Something that I think is a pillar of western values. Yes I completely understand the flaws of the capitalist western system and its propensity to inequality. Yes I also think that democracy is flawed; I would still consider peaceful transfer of power via democracy as something valuable about western values.

I am not really informed enough to comment further on the Taiwan/China situation. I require more reading on the matter.
On the Ukraine/Russia situation. While I agree there are legitimate security concerns for Russia, I do not agree they are as existential as some would argue; I also do not accept those concerns warrant a full scale invasion of another country.

It is clear to me that there are secondary motives for Putin's invasion. I believe there are many; I believe that one vector relates to the "Arab spring" events and also the second Iraq war. I don't think it is a coincidence that after those events Putins position on Ukraine changed. Authoritarian regimes were deposed by popular revolt and also by the US and coalition forces forcibly removing Saddams regime.
Those events, in my opinion played an important process in changing Putin's outlook on Ukraine; I think it led him to believe that his own position as the poster boy of authoritarianism was not as secure as he initially believed.
This idea is only one of a variety of factors that I believe led Russia to invade Ukraine but it appears to often be overlooked.


See.. this is the kind of discourse that me , etc etc would like to have.
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Feb 28 2023 07:26am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 28 2023 01:43pm)
No, no they are not. Perhaps in your mind NATO is doing that.


Yes they are, he's correct. NATO is running the show, without NATO (combined Western support to be precise) Ukraine would collapse, simple as that.

NATO / the West want to recapture all lost territories and for what reason ^_^

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Feb 28 2023 07:27am
Quote (said_aouita @ Feb 28 2023 01:04pm)
You are delusional.


Ukraine is being wrecked

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Feb 28 2023 07:32am
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 28 2023 01:26pm)
Yes they are, he's correct. NATO is running the show, without NATO (combined Western support to be precise) Ukraine would collapse, simple as that.

NATO / the West want to recapture all lost territories and for what reason ^_^


Ukraine is not in NATO. If they were, this war would never have happened.
Queue Finland and Sweden joining NATO, because they see what happens if your not protected.
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Feb 28 2023 07:39am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 28 2023 02:32pm)
Ukraine is not in NATO. If they were, this war would never have happened.
Queue Finland and Sweden joining NATO, because they see what happens if your not protected.


If the announcement (NATO accepts future Ukraine membership) would've come earlier then this war would've started earlier.

And you're dodging. NATO is running the show in Ukraine, not Zelensky is what we were discussing.

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