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Feb 27 2023 05:55am
Quote (ferdia @ 27 Feb 2023 19:47)
If you watched the "marxist" video the other day you will have my view on why it happened and the 2016 video from meirscheimer explains the how.

That blueprint is easily transposed to China. i.e. US Diplomatic missions to Taiwan, US sales of weapons to Taiwan, Military (defensive) alliances, and more balloon incidents, or Nord Stream like events, or simply false flags / narratives that we are currently seeing.



yes but i suggested use other countries war's instead of US wars, noting this is not a bash America thread (the US did not invade Ukraine).

staying on topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqvzt5kEino


Oh and John Mearsheimer also spoke on this much earlier. as well, if you go on his wiki thread which I am sure you did.

John Mearsheimer

"After the end of the Soviet Union, the newly independent Ukraine had a large arsenal of nuclear weapons on its territory. However, in 1994, Ukraine agreed to give up nuclear arms and become a member of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty; within two years, it had removed all atomic weapons. Almost alone among observers, Mearsheimer was opposed to that decision because he saw that Ukraine without a nuclear deterrent would likely be subjected to aggression by Russia.[70] As early as 1993, he suggested that Ukraine should retain its nuclear weapons as a deterrent.[1][71] "

I fully agree to this.

But then again if I am not wrong, Moscow has the nuclear codes and not Ukraine. I am not sure how true is that.

I also disagree American's involvement in stripping Taiwan's Nuclear program in the 70s.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Feb 27 2023 05:56am
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 27 2023 11:47am)
That is reference for ^Ferdia.
And i added some are warranted. Which shows that I am somewhat impartial.

But for you and sauceman, if anyone of us have any alternative comments or viewpoint, you guys will flip.
I don't see any difference between your sort of ideology and those of extreme muslims, Stalinist or the 1960's Chinese communist Red Guards and the current woke left that vehemently believes that man can be biological woman.

The only difference is you are standing on your side of the ideologue.

So in order not to antagonize anyone, I will rather converse and have a more realistic and pragmatic discourse with ^Ferdia ^ownyaah, ^ofthevoid etc etc


I'm comfortable with people having alternative views.
If you are not that's totally fine.
This is a public thread so expect pushback if you post something people disagree with.
If you want a private chat whether you feel safe there is a PM function

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 27 Feb 2023 19:59)
I'm comfortable with people having alternative views.
If you are not that's totally fine.
This is a public thread so expect pushback if you post something people disagree with.
If you want a private chat whether you feel safe there is a PM function


3 Months back or so you were , but not anymore.
It is a public thread, I can discuss anything or have a discourse with those users especially on a thread he made as much as I like. I just don't need to respond to some If I don't feel a need too.
I feel completely safe on this thread.

I just don't need to respond if I don't see the need to.
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Feb 27 2023 06:13am
Here: recent wars:

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 27 2023 11:47am)
That is reference for ^Ferdia.
And i added some are warranted. Which shows that I am somewhat impartial.

But for you and sauceman, if anyone of us have any alternative comments or viewpoint, you guys will flip.
I don't see any difference between your sort of ideology and those of extreme muslims, Stalinist or the 1960's Chinese communist Red Guards and the current woke left that vehemently believes that man can be biological woman.

The only difference is you are standing on your side of the ideologue.

So in order not to antagonize anyone, I will rather converse and have a more realistic and pragmatic discourse with ^Ferdia ^ownyaah, ^ofthevoid etc etc


Supporting liberty and opposing Russias illegal invasion is the same as extremist Islam and Stalinism?

Have to admit I'm not making the same connection, your logic appears fallacious to me.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 27 Feb 2023 21:00)
Supporting liberty and opposing Russias illegal invasion is the same as extremist Islam and Stalinism?

Have to admit I'm not making the same connection, your logic appears fallacious to me.


That is not what I meant.
Your ideologue is particularly extremist in my point of view because from all your comments, you seem to only believe that you are right and others that give alternative viewpoints are wrong.
When I mean alternative viewpoints , I meant other users are saying that this war is triggered by some in the West and this is a power struggle between two nuclear superpowers.

You believe that you are almost always right and you don't see any grey areas in this war. It is simply black or white, that is where your ideologue is. You do not leave any space to consider reasonable viewpoints.
You are using your version of moralistic viewpoint and lens to view the war.

That is why I consider that extremist Islam or Stalinism or Maoism. Because both that I mentioned, always believe they are right and others are completely wrong.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 27 2023 01:06pm)
That is not what I meant.
Your ideologue is that of the of extremist in my point of view because from all your comments, you see to only believe that you are right and others that give alternative viewpoints are wrong.
When I mean alternative viewpoints , I meant other users are saying that this war is triggered by some in the West and this is a power struggle between two nuclear superpowers.

You believe that you are almost always right and you don't see any grey areas in this war. It is simply black or white, that is where your ideologue is. You have do not leave any space to consider reasonable viewpoints.
You are using your version of moralistic viewpoint and lens to view the war.

That is why I consider that extremist islam or stalinism. Because both that I mentioned, always believe they are right and others are completely wrong.


I am content to disagree with you.
Having conviction in my own view and calling out viewpoints I consider inaccurate is completely reasonable.

It would probably be more productive to argue against my actual argument instead of me personally.
I don't pay you much attention but from what I have read you appear to take things rather personally, emotionally.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 27 Feb 2023 21:20)
I am content to disagree with you.
Having conviction in my own view and calling out viewpoints I consider inaccurate is completely reasonable.

It would probably be more productive to argue against my actual argument instead of me personally.
I don't pay you much attention but from what I have read you appear to take things rather personally, emotionally.


I am one of the least emotional person on this thread.
You can ask ,

Sometimes I just troll a little here and there to trigger some shit posters.

You weren't like this 3 to 4 months back . Oh well..

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 27 Feb 2023 12:43)
Same could be said for you, why are you posting a USA bombing list?

Agenda hard man.


This narrative crap is crawling since the begining of this thread along with the OP softening everything in order to validate it.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 27 2023 12:08pm)
Vietnam was an awful and pointless war. It wasn't even fought under the guise of liberty so it's a terrible example on your part.
A better example would have been the second Iraq war. Which was an unmitigated disaster.
I would have supported limited strikes against Saddams regime, a full scale invasion was pointless and led to needless death.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsveld, Bolton, Rice and Blair are all unconvicted war criminals.
Because the invasion ended in atrocities.

Now, would you condemn Russias war on Ukraine as an atrocity?


I condemn the war but saying Russia is the only side to blame is false, and you know it.
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