There is nothing progressive about liberty.

Maybe if we stoned a couple women to death each year you would be happier?

Cave dweller.

So wars in the name of liberty are ok

Bottom dweller

This post was edited by Djunior on Feb 27 2023 04:01am

10/10 for submitting that video
it perfectly sums up my position.

to summarize (for those that dont watch video's):

1. China is neutral in the Russia / Ukraine war. China regrets the awful loss of life but does not see the end of this war in 2023.
2. China borders Russia and believes in the motto of not pissing off the neighbors, therefore the language out of China relating to the conflict will always be nuanced and perceived as positive to Russia and not what the West wants to hear. This is called having good diplomatic ties with neighbors and is a sign of good diplomacy.
3. China does not border the US, and the US has called China its competitor, and the propaganda mill / narrative from the US (The Balloon, China selling Weapons etc etc) is such that in response China will call a spade a spade. i.e. that US foreign policy got us into this mess.
4. China's military will not be equal to the US until sometime around 2050. Until such time as China matches the US in military might China, and the world, will live in dangerous times, noting if the US wants to do something it has a narrow window (10~20 years) to do it.
5. There are no indications that China will invade Taiwan any time soon. They are playing the long game. Therefore the US will need to make something happen if they want to try to stop China from matching the US (i believe however that the Chinese rise is inevitable, especially if the Chinese has more people like the guy being interviewed).

Finally,

6. He believes that once China matches the US, it will be much easier to have signs and barriers to speak equally with the US on do's and dont's but until then we will live in dangerous times. I have no view on this at this time. (i dont know).

On an aside, he gave an anecdotal story about a 4 star general sending a memo about china 2025. He suggested that the US arms of government/military are not in sync. I am not an expert but I would have said that this is how the US does things - by promoting fear. I dont know if from a cultural stand point he does not understand that (i would have thought he would).

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 27 2023 04:42am

Which wars? I'll tell you if I agree with them or not.

lol wut

Any war that the West fought in the name of liberty (democracy).

Start with Vietnam and look at the number of innocent civilians killed, the weapons used (cluster munitions, napalm, agent orange just to name a few) then consider the outcome, the cost for the West and if was worth it.

Lets see how honest you are

to be clear WW2 was ever called the good war. cant say much about any of the other ones of course.

I would agree with the First Iraq war.

yes ok, #me2

WW2
Iraq 1 (Kuwait)

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 27 2023 05:12am

Vietnam was an awful and pointless war. It wasn't even fought under the guise of liberty so it's a terrible example on your part.
A better example would have been the second Iraq war. Which was an unmitigated disaster.
I would have supported limited strikes against Saddams regime, a full scale invasion was pointless and led to needless death.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsveld, Bolton, Rice and Blair are all unconvicted war criminals.
Because the invasion ended in atrocities.

Now, would you condemn Russias war on Ukraine as an atrocity?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 27 2023 05:08am

I would (just chiming in ok!)