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Aug 6 2018 03:39pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 6 2018 03:11pm)
i have no qualms about not appearing as a centrist to the "i didn't vote for trump but support and defend everything he says" brigade


Someone has to argue the "Trump did it so it must be the worst thing ever" brigade.

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Aug 6 2018 04:20pm
Meeting with foreign governments to undermine political opponents in a presidential race is surely an impeachable offence. Let's hope that it isn't the case, but if it is, I hope congress have the balls to follow it through.
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Aug 6 2018 04:22pm
Rick Gates: "I Committed Crimes With Paul Manafort" (Fiscal fraud).
Maybe this could help in making Manafort talking/collaborate if he got something on the Russian investigation, but im not sure if it's possible to get a reduced sentence on one case while collaborating for another one.
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Aug 6 2018 06:45pm
How many times does trump have to lie before people realise he is a liability?

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Aug 6 2018 06:49pm
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Aug 6 2018 07:03pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 6 2018 07:45pm)
How many times does trump have to lie before people realise he is a liability?


trump didn't know about meeting

jk meeting was about Russian adoption

jk meeting was really about dirt on clinton, but trump sr. wasn't involved with the meeting or with trump Jr's statement

jk actually trumped "weighed in on the statement"

trump jr actually I don't remember trump sr being involved

jk actually trump dictated statement

btw Lebron u are a dumb dumb


anyway, if only politics were held to the standards of academia




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Aug 6 2018 07:32pm
Quote (Bazi @ Aug 6 2018 08:03pm)
trump didn't know about meeting

jk meeting was about Russian adoption

jk meeting was really about dirt on clinton, but trump sr. wasn't involved with the meeting or with trump Jr's statement

jk actually trumped "weighed in on the statement"

trump jr actually I don't remember trump sr being involved

jk actually trump dictated statement

btw Lebron u are a dumb dumb


anyway, if only politics were held to the standards of academia


When Academia is held to the standard of politics you get the Creation Museum.
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Aug 6 2018 09:41pm
So to me, this is a clear Federal Election violation by the Trump campaign. Whereas the Russians' promise of opposition research, or simply put, 'Dirt', is a "OTHER THING OF VALUE"

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b. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.


https://www.fec.gov/regulations/110-20/2018-annual-110#110-20-a-4-i
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Quote (Horford @ Aug 6 2018 09:41pm)
So to me, this is a clear Federal Election violation by the Trump campaign. Whereas the Russians' promise of opposition research, or simply put, 'Dirt', is a "OTHER THING OF VALUE"

https://www.fec.gov/regulations/110-20/2018-annual-110#110-20-a-4-i


Based on context that pretty clearly implies physical value, but id need to see how it's been applied in the past to be sure.
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Based on context that pretty clearly implies physical value, but id need to see how it's been applied in the past to be sure.


where does it imply that? nothing in that text seems to imply it has to have "physical" value, an offer of 'dirt' on a political opponent, if real, is valuable to to that person's campaign...
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Quote (Horford @ Aug 7 2018 01:44am)
where does it imply that? nothing in that text seems to imply it has to have "physical" value, an offer of 'dirt' on a political opponent, if real, is valuable to to that person's campaign...


like, cuz let's be real for a second, if it weren't valuable (dirt on a political opponent), why would Treason jr. take the meeting? notice that text i posted even says "promise to make a contribution"... the Russian's were promising dirt on Clinton in exchange for lifted sanctions more than likely, i.e. the Magnitsky act.
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