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Feb 25 2023 11:21am
Quote (Djunior @ 25 Feb 2023 18:15)
I am bringing solid arguments, I posted a Yale University lecture (Vladimir Pozner) who is a celebrated journalist for like 5 decades and you trashed it just like you always do.[/B]
You continue to do this and I'll keep giving you some of your own medicine, I promise you..


The guy is 87 years old, he WAS recognized, decades ago, but now nobody want him:

https://www.rferl.org/a/georgia-pozner-birthday-harassment-russia/31181780.html

former Soviet Communist apologist - Think what you want, this is my point.


Here's what he said 3 weeks before Russia to invade Ukraine:
- Russia being much stronger now economically and MILITARILY :lol: :D
- (in Russia) People have possibility to speak out, there's some press freedom
- Mr Putin that I can tell you does not want war but want to desescalate, want negotiations
- Some troops have been removed and it's a good sign




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Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 25 2023 06:21pm)
The guy is 87 years old, he WAS recognized, decades ago, but now nobody want him:

https://www.rferl.org/a/georgia-pozner-birthday-harassment-russia/31181780.html

former Soviet Communist apologist - Think what you want, this is my point.


Here's what he said 3 weeks before Russia to invade Ukraine:
- Russia being much stronger now economically and MILITARILY :lol: :D
- (in Russia) People have possibility to speak out, there's some press freedom
- Mr Putin that I can tell you does not want war but want to desescalate, want negotiations
- Some troops have been removed and it's a good sign


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bskDy1b65hE


That reasonable people gave wrong predictions means NOTHING, it's predictions and an ongoing situation. That you use that to shit on sources is just ridiculous.

Have you heard of the Minsk agreements? That is proof that Russia wanted to negotiate.

Was used by the West as a deflection to buy Ukraine time and build up / train their army.

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Feb 25 2023 12:58pm
he uses the same reason for seymour hersh btw "he is old and his brain does not work anymore". so much for experience.
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Quote (ferdia @ 25 Feb 2023 19:58)
he uses the same reason for seymour hersh btw "he is old and his brain does not work anymore". so much for experience.


Hello, anything about my posts on China /CCP ? Else yes, these are specific cases, two old controversial men with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

Quote (Djunior @ 25 Feb 2023 19:52)
That reasonable people gave wrong predictions means NOTHING, it's predictions and an ongoing situation. That you use that to shit on sources is just ridiculous.

Have you heard of the Minsk agreements? That is proof that Russia wanted to negotiate.
Was used by the West as a deflection to buy Ukraine time and build up / train their army.


At a joint press conference in January 2003, Putin responded to a question about Ukraine. “Ukraine is an independent sovereign state, and it will choose its own path to peace and security”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/putin-russia-ukraine-nato-george-robertson/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

The invasion of Ukraine may also have violated international agreements that Russia is a party to, including:

The 1975 Helsinki Final Act, in which the USSR promised not to violate the "territorial integrity" of other signees, including through the use of force. Russia and Ukraine were both created as a result of the USSR's breakup.
The 1994 Budapest Memorandum, in which Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom agreed "to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine."
The Minsk Agreements, which are a pair of ceasefire agreements signed by Russia and Ukraine relating to the conflict between those countries that began in 2014


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

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saying that experienced individuals, in their field, are no longer experienced, because they are old and senile, is a narrative. it is not based on facts.

Regarding China, they are neutral in this war. there is really not much to say. There will be peace when the US wants peace. Any country sending weapons to Ukraine is an interested party and there to my mind in a quasi state of war / aggression.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 25 2023 08:03pm)
Hello, anything about my posts on China /CCP ? Else yes, these are specific cases, two old controversial men with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease



At a joint press conference in January 2003, Putin responded to a question about Ukraine. “Ukraine is an independent sovereign state, and it will choose its own path to peace and security”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/putin-russia-ukraine-nato-george-robertson/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

The invasion of Ukraine may also have violated international agreements that Russia is a party to, including:

The 1975 Helsinki Final Act, in which the USSR promised not to violate the "territorial integrity" of other signees, including through the use of force. Russia and Ukraine were both created as a result of the USSR's breakup.
The 1994 Budapest Memorandum, in which Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom agreed "to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine."
The Minsk Agreements, which are a pair of ceasefire agreements signed by Russia and Ukraine relating to the conflict between those countries that began in 2014


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine


The Minsk agreements were used by the West to buy Ukraine time to build up and train their army. Linking other agreements means nothing in this conflict, neither Ukraine nor Russia give a damn and are guilty of war crimes.

Obviously this shit is underreported and in many cases taken down but you can still find it if you google "Merkel on Minsk agreements" https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-russia-may-have-make-ukraine-deal-one-day-partners-cheated-past-2022-12-09/
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Quote (Djunior @ 25 Feb 2023 20:31)
The Minsk agreements were used by the West to buy Ukraine time to build up and train their army. Linking other agreements means nothing in this conflict, neither Ukraine nor Russia give a damn and are guilty of war crimes.

Obviously this shit is underreported and in many cases taken down but you can still find it if you google "Merkel on Minsk agreements" https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-russia-may-have-make-ukraine-deal-one-day-partners-cheated-past-2022-12-09/


Europe bought time because of oil and gas, it was also a bid that putin would not push it further in his hybrid war.
By recognizing separatist territories as independent, Putin effectively destroyed the accords.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 25 2023 08:44pm)
Europe bought time because of oil and gas, it was also a bid that putin would not push it further in his hybrid war.
By recognizing separatist territories as independent, Putin effectively destroyed the accords.


Wat

-->Merkel admitted that the Minsk agreements were meant to buy Ukraine time.

You understand what that means right? It was fake and buying Ukraine time to build up their army. Did you read the Reuters link I posted?

The Minsk agreements have nothing to do with the economical aspect (EU oil / gas imports).

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Here's another one: German arms manufacturers can't keep up.

But Russia is running out of everything, right?



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Quote (Djunior @ 25 Feb 2023 20:53)
Wat

-->Merkel admitted that the Minsk agreements were meant to buy Ukraine time.

You understand what that means right? It was fake and buying Ukraine time to build up their army. Did you read the Reuters link I posted?

The Minsk agreements have nothing to do with the economical aspect (EU oil / gas imports).


It bought time for everybody, Europe ressources for 8 years, and Ukraine army to prepare against major agression. At this time we were afraid of the "second army in the world".
Which in truth is now one of the biggest failure in recent history. Ukraine did well, I am supporting all the effort done to prevend the Russian invaders, along with the large majority of europeans.

Oh that I'm sure NATO can adapt of produce ammunitions if required, good quality ones, not 40 years old rusted shit stock. Like they would fail on that...
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