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Feb 23 2023 08:43am
Quote (ferdia @ 23 Feb 2023 22:40)
I merely posted the wiki, no need to blow up over something that happened 30 years ago. The germans killed my grandparents, i dont hold that against germany of today.


I Wonder why the French is not sanctioned for Libya and the USA fir Iraq.
Must be their guns and economy is so freaking huge that you can't do any crap to them.

Long story short you need big guns and big economy combined.
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Feb 23 2023 08:44am
Quote (ferdia @ 23 Feb 2023 15:40)
I merely posted the wiki, no need to blow up over something that happened 30 years ago. The germans killed my grandparents, i dont hold that against germany of today.


Oh? And are Nazis still in power in Germany today ?
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Feb 23 2023 08:51am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 23 2023 02:44pm)
Oh? And are Nazis still in power in Germany today ?


What you are inferring here is that as the chinese government of yesterday did something terrible, that the current government is the same and the next government will be the same again. this suggests that there is no learning or evolution.

I do not deny, I have read enough to agree with you in part that the chinese government does some things that it should not. terrible things. There is alot wrong with china. However, to believe that china has a monopoly of human rights abuses etc is not safe and neither is it safe to use events from 30 years ago to condemn a country's rulers today.

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Feb 23 2023 09:16am
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 23 2023 02:19pm)
Where did I say it's justified? I'm arguing that it's completely understandable (because of previous NATO expansion, Crimea / naval base, Russian minorities). And everyone in their right mind knows it's completely understandable there's no question about it.

Imagine users here calling Ukraine a testing ground for Russia, the same way you're arguing it's a testing ground for NATO.

NO ONE has done that because it's despicable. You're the only one that far down the rabbit hole, it's wild. You should take a good hard look at yourself.


It's not an argument. It's a fact.

Stop crying wolf now just because it upsets you. Your hypocrisy is showing again.
We know that you believe it's one rule for Russia and different rule for everyone else.

Quite a tremendous climbdown on your part to claim you never argued it was justified.
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Feb 23 2023 09:20am
Quote (ferdia @ Feb 23 2023 02:06pm)
By your own words China was the largest investor in Ukraine. This is true. How then have you jumped to the conclusion that China is indirectly benefiting from this? This aspect is a loss and should not be directly linked to the other part of your statement. By your own words the US (China's adversary in Asia) is diverting resources away from Asia. What does this actually mean because frankly I dont know. Also I do not see Russia being completely reliant on China. Russia borders China. if west wont play ball, maybe east will. Us shoving Russia to look East is a geopolitical blunder on the part of the US.

The best way to view the China position is to say that as they are not aligned or involved, they are benefiting in the shape of time. Time to improve all their infrastructure/trade/technology/and yes, military etc. That to my mind is how China is most benefiting.


You've basically outlined the same principles as I did above and said that is the best way to view the position.

So I agree.

What is difficult to understand about the US sending resources to Europe and that equates to resources not available in the asian theatre?

It's pretty much black and white.
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Feb 23 2023 09:40am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 23 2023 04:16pm)
It's not an argument. It's a fact.

Stop crying wolf now just because it upsets you. Your hypocrisy is showing again.
We know that you believe it's one rule for Russia and different rule for everyone else.

Quite a tremendous climbdown on your part to claim you never argued it was justified.


1) Where did I say it's justified? I'm arguing it's understandable or logical if you like that word better.

2) YOU are the person here claiming NATO testing grounds in Ukraine. Feeling bad about it? You should.


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Feb 23 2023 10:49am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 23 Feb 2023 16:16)
It's not an argument. It's a fact.

Stop crying wolf now just because it upsets you. Your hypocrisy is showing again.
We know that you believe it's one rule for Russia and different rule for everyone else.

Quite a tremendous climbdown on your part to claim you never argued it was justified.


Like i told you, it's just harassment tactics, this is like the 5th+ post involving this "testing" argument.

Btw there's nothing bad in admitting that what is happening in Ukraine is a new situation and is also a testing ground for everyone.
I would not be ashamed to say it's ok to test new weapons on rapists, looters, civilians murderers.

For sure not all mobiks are like this, but let's not fool ourselves: the whole russian army has this spirit and they didn't tried to fix it since ww2. Very modernized army btw...

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Feb 23 2023 10:52am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 23 2023 03:20pm)
You've basically outlined the same principles as I did above and said that is the best way to view the position.

So I agree.

What is difficult to understand about the US sending resources to Europe and that equates to resources not available in the asian theatre?

It's pretty much black and white.



to reword my question: what is your definition or example of the US diverting resources away from Asia to Ukraine?

one thing I can agree with above : the russian army is not modern. the fact that the wagner group exists is proof of that.

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Feb 23 2023 11:30am
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 23 2023 03:40pm)
1) Where did I say it's justified? I'm arguing it's understandable or logical if you like that word better.

2) YOU are the person here claiming NATO testing grounds in Ukraine. Feeling bad about it? You should.


Its not me claiming anything. Its fact; Because it upsets you, doesn't it make it less of a reality.

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 23 2023 04:52pm)
to reword my question: what is your definition or example of the US diverting resources away from Asia to Ukraine?

one thing I can agree with above : the russian army is not modern. the fact that the wagner group exists is proof of that.


I will rephrase that actually, now I read it back it is not precise about what I am implying.
I mean that any resources sent to the European continent, are resources not available for the US in the pacific.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 23 2023 04:49pm)
Like i told you, it's just harassment tactics, this is like the 5th+ post involving this "testing" argument.

Btw there's nothing bad in admitting that what is happening in Ukraine is a new situation and is also a testing ground for everyone.
I would not be ashamed to say it's ok to test new weapons on rapists, looters, civilians murderers.

For sure not all mobiks are like this, but let's not fool ourselves: the whole russian army has this spirit and they didn't tried to fix it since ww2. Very modernized army btw...


To be clear I am not saying it is ok, or that I agree with it. It is simply a fact.

Only apologists for Russia are gloating over anything they see as a loss for Ukraine and its allies; I personally do not celebrate that Russians are dying needlessly in Ukraine.
It is only abhorrent that those men are dying for the personal gain of an imperialist short-arse in a Moscow bunker.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 23 2023 11:34am
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Feb 23 2023 11:30am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 23 2023 05:30pm)
Its not me claiming anything. Its fact; Because it upsets you, doesn't it make it less of a reality.



I will rephrase that actually, now I read it back it is not precise about what I am implying.
I mean that any resources sent to the European continent, are resources not available for the US in the pacific.


well yes, 100% agree.
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