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Quote (ferdia @ Feb 22 2023 12:57pm)
is that from today?


yes, that's Putin's meeting with Wang Yi
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Quote (ferdia @ Feb 22 2023 08:01pm)
your being very pedantic now. the video is there for people to make up their own mind.


You're talking to a guy who calls Ukraine a testing ground for NATO weapons. BoJo, Biden and accomplices are his heroes.

He'll just dodge and deflect for pages on end, trust me
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Quote (ferdia @ 22 Feb 2023 19:26)
a video where the former prime ministor of boris lays out his position whereby he convinced his peers not to negotiate with Putin. how is that not "on the record" ?

thats not an isolated video btw.


I don't understand what you are trying to say, he's right: there's no way to negotiate with Putin, even "land for peace" doesn't work.
For years europeans delayed the agression with a tiny hope that Putin changes his policies + the interesting oil & gas of course for years.

Nato's popularity always only have been a pretext, Putin already did horrors in Georgia & Chenhya. He's just lurking the old Russian Empire.
Like BJ said: There's no alternative. Anyone disagree can feel free to dodge this post because you will not have a single argument against that.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Feb 22 2023 03:05pm
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You're talking to a guy who calls Ukraine a testing ground for NATO weapons. BoJo, Biden and accomplices are his heroes.

He'll just dodge and deflect for pages on end, trust me


I second this very accurate statement.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 22 2023 09:05pm)
I don't understand what you are trying to say, he's right: there's no way to negotiate with Putin, even "land for peace" doesn't work.
For years europeans delayed the agression with a tiny hope that Putin changes his policies + the interesting oil & gas of course for years.

Nato's popularity always only have been a pretext, Putin already did horrors in Georgia & Chenhya. He's just lurking the old Russian Empire.
Like BJ said: There's no alternative. Anyone disagree can feel free to dodge this post because you will not have a single argument against that.


I had stated that it was on record that Boris encouraged Ukraine not to seek a settlement with Russia. He disagreed. I produced that video, he still disagreed.
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Quote (ferdia @ 22 Feb 2023 23:19)
I had stated that it was on record that Boris encouraged Ukraine not to seek a settlement with Russia. He disagreed. I produced that video, he still disagreed.


He's just saying that negotating doesn't work and that there's no other "Alternative". Which was proven at some point with all the war crimes and lies. Don't forget we are all nazis.
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Quote (Djunior @ Feb 22 2023 08:45pm)
You're talking to a guy who calls Ukraine a testing ground for NATO weapons. BoJo, Biden and accomplices are his heroes.

He'll just dodge and deflect for pages on end, trust me


NATO are getting real time information on a "near peer adversary"
That includes information on weapons only previously used against Saddam or not fully tested in a large scale war.

You may be upset by this, but it is a fact.
You can't pick and choose when you advocate for realpolitik. Eg justify Russias invasion for security reasons, then become a humanist when Russian conscripts come up against 21st century military equipment.

Near peer adversary is in inverted commas because Russias military has proven to be far less effective than anyone expected.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 23 2023 04:13am
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Quote (ferdia @ Feb 22 2023 10:19pm)
I had stated that it was on record that Boris encouraged Ukraine not to seek a settlement with Russia. He disagreed. I produced that video, he still disagreed.


Maybe the record is out there, however it's not that video.
Anyone can extrapolate their own view on what happened and I would probably draw the same conclusion as you, but I think Boris is very specific not to say
"I encouraged Ukraine not to negotiate" In those exact words.

Which is what you originally insinuated. And those are two different things.
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Feb 23 2023 04:20am
That conversation is a dead end ok.

But with regards to Boris's video, I dont understand where he gets the "Putin cannot be trusted" from. What is he referring to?

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 23 2023 04:21am
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