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Feb 22 2023 11:38am
Quote (ferdia @ Feb 22 2023 05:11pm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrD4_XErxsE

welcome your thoughts on this then, its not long.


I think he right about Putin being untrustworthy. I think he is misguided about pushing Russia out of all territory taken since February 2022.
Can you see why I am still unconvinced that this video does not equate to this? "and that England is on record as advising them not to negotiate"

He is saying "you can't negotiate with Putin, because he is so patently untrustworthy"
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Feb 22 2023 11:40am
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I think he right about Putin being untrustworthy. I think he is misguided about pushing Russia out of all territory taken since February 2022.
Can you see why I am still unconvinced that this video does not equate to this? "and that England is on record as advising them not to negotiate"

He is saying "you can't negotiate with Putin, because he is so patently untrustworthy"


I am sorry, are you suggesting that video is doctored or that Boris Johnston was not the leader of England at the time, or that his voice had little weight ?
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Feb 22 2023 11:41am
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I am sorry, are you suggesting that video is doctored or that Boris Johnston was not the leader of England at the time, or that his voice had little weight ?


Your being deliberately obtuse. If you say something is on the record, you must have the record? Right?





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Your being deliberately obtuse. If you say something is on the record, you must have the record? Right?


what is that video if not the former leader of england being on the record ? why are you dragging your heels on this ? from a western perspective this is not a terrible thing. the narrative is putin can not be trusted and therefore ukraine would be signing its own death warrant if they agreed to a settlement. it undoubtedly would have led to the collapse of the government.

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what is that video if not the former leader of england being on the record ?


When does say he advised Zelensky not to negotiate?
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When does say he advised Zelensky not to negotiate?


you did watch the video right ?
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you did watch the video right ?


I watched it very carefully. Where does he say it?
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Forgetting the usual diversion circle jerks:

What is Russia planning to do for the anniversary ?


would envisage the commencement of a new offensive.

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I watched it very carefully. Where does he say it?


we are at an impasse here.

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Feb 22 2023 11:51am
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would envisage the commencement of a new offensive.
we are at an impasse here.


I hope they will not try to kill more civilians as an act of terror (== more missile barrages and indiscriminate shelling)
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would envisage the commencement of a new offensive.



we are at an impasse here.


If you'd said something like "it is my belief that Johnson advised Zelensky not to negotiate" I would have no issue.
Saying "on record" is something completely different, and in my opinion misleading.

Its the same as this assertion that the US sabotaged NS2. People are accepting things as fact, that they have no irrefutable evidence for.
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