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Feb 22 2023 08:09am
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 22 2023 08:13am)
Let's look at Biden's speech, I just took a moment of it.

Jees look at your idol. He obviously doesn't believe in what he's saying!!

Prox1m1ty PARD logic 101

https://i.imgur.com/FBfL82a.jpg


Hahhahahaha yea let’s listen to this guy
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Feb 22 2023 08:10am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 22 2023 02:10pm)
Ukraine joining NATO was not realistically up for debate anytime soon, not unless they ceded Crimea and the DPR to Russia.
Also note that the whole situation blew up in 2014 after Ukraine tried to sign an association agreement with the EU, not NATO!


In 1991 NATO expansion was not realistically up for debate anytime soon

Oh wait :rolleyes:



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Feb 22 2023 08:12am
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 22 2023 09:10am)
In 1991 NATO expansion was not realistically up for debate anytime soon

Oh wait :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/r5pXxaD.jpg


Why would Poland and the Baltics want to join a defensive alliance? Do you want to parse that out for us?
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Feb 22 2023 08:46am
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 22 2023 02:00pm)
That would've been the best possible outcome. Russia getting the breakaway provinces or oblasts whatever, and Crimea. Plus a neutral Ukraine (guarantees).

That opportunity is gone and now Ukraine is going to get wrecked. You reap what you sow


Yeah appeasing Russia would have been a great plan. Just like it was in the 1930's. That didn't play out badly at all did it?

You have to be a certain kind of idiot to think appeasement is a good idea.
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Feb 22 2023 09:04am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 22 2023 08:46am)
Yeah appeasing Russia would have been a great plan. Just like it was in the 1930's. That didn't play out badly at all did it?

You have to be a certain kind of idiot to think appeasement is a good idea.


a comparison that wouldn't really work unless it was Britain invading Poland in the first place
The historians won't write about the pre-WW3 borders being threatened by Russian expansionism
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Feb 22 2023 09:07am
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 22 2023 01:59pm)
more big movements:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/22/xi-jinping-to-visit-moscow-for-summit-with-putin-report

we're now getting confirmation of Xi Jinping's plan to visit Moscow, which was something hinted at by Wang Yi's visit.
he'll give his speech on a peace deal for Ukraine on Saturday this week, then will visit Moscow "in the coming months" for the express purpose of playing a peace mediator role in the Ukraine war

https://www.kitco.com/news/2023-02-22/Iraq-to-allow-trade-with-China-in-yuan-state-media.html

Iraq (now beholden to Iran) is going to formally allow trades in RMB, a direct shot at the petrodollar.



This is what it looks like when American hegemony over geopolitics and global finance collapses in real time.



I honestly do not think that the US will allow China to mediate a peace deal, therefore (and I could be wrong) there will be no peace deal. The US will mirror Ukrainian demands - all of Ukraine (including crimea), Russia, out, reparations and the removal of Putin. Russia will not say yes to this. China mediating a peace deal would be worse for the US than Russia winning the war, as it would be recognition from the Greatest superpower on the planet that it erred and that it could not fix the war, and that there was another Super Power capable. To my mind this will only make the US double down and extend the war longer.

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Feb 22 2023 09:10am
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 22 2023 03:04pm)
a comparison that wouldn't really work unless it was Britain invading Poland in the first place
The historians won't write about the pre-WW3 borders being threatened by Russian expansionism


Logically and grammatically this post is extremely hard to follow.
Its a perfect legitimate association. Appeasement, does not work. Period.

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 22 2023 03:07pm)
I honestly do not think that the US will allow China to mediate a peace deal, therefore (and I could be wrong) there will be no peace deal. The US will mirror Ukrainian demands - all of Ukraine (including crimea), Russia, out, reparations and the removal of Putin. Russia will not say yes to this.


China doesn't have the leverage to negotiate a peace deal imo.

It sounds great and is great PR for China to appear as though it has the ability to broker peace. Realistically it's not feasible.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 22 2023 09:11am
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Feb 22 2023 09:11am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 22 2023 03:10pm)
Logically and grammatically this post is extremely hard to follow.

Its a perfect legitimate association. Appeasement, does not work. Period.


May I have permission to troll please.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 22 2023 03:10pm)
Logically and grammatically this post is extremely hard to follow.
Its a perfect legitimate association. Appeasement, does not work. Period.



China doesn't have the leverage to negotiate a peace deal imo.

It sounds great and is great PR for China to appear as though it has the ability to broker peace. Realistically it's not feasible.


Yes, China can not tell or ask the US or Ukraine what to do, and neither will do anything no matter how nicely China asks, so its just a pipe-dream. History will show however that at least China tried.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 22 2023 09:13am
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Feb 22 2023 09:12am
Quote (ferdia @ Feb 22 2023 03:11pm)
May I have permission to troll please.


You have never asked permission before.
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Feb 22 2023 09:14am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 22 2023 03:12pm)
You have never asked permission before.


I was going to quote you but use a different word than appeasement. perhaps not a good idea :evil:

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 22 2023 09:14am
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