A source for what? Forced conscription? There are hundreds of videos of men fighting back as they are shoved into vans.

is there no reporting on it at all? thats a story all unto its own. As I understand it Ukraine is in a state of Martial Law. i trust you understand the implications of this.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 20 2023 12:41pm

I don't think I've read a single story mentioning such videos.

a damning verdict of western reporting.

feel free to google: Al Jazeera " Western media and the war on truth in Ukraine"

a snippet from the article:

"What is shocking is how the “free press” in the “free world”, which to its credit has helped reveal much of the official deception in the past as in the “Pentagon Papers” and the “Afghan Papers”, is adamant about echoing and amplifying the official line as if it were complicit in the war.

Watching journalists and pundits in respected American and British journals exhaust the synonyms of fascist, evil and dangerous to describe Russia’s Putin, with little or no attempt at balance or objectivity, one is inclined to believe that Western media has largely been enlisted in NATO’s crusade against Putin’s Russia until victory. But what does “victory” entail here: liberating all of Ukraine? Or weakening Russia to the extent it no longer threatens other European countries?"

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 20 2023 12:49pm

Indeed. Unparalleled media lockstep on what does and does not get reported.

If you want to see them, this channel is probably the best for it, just search for keywords you can think of: https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/

no need no need!

A more detailed view of how this Russian offensive is playing out. Spoiler: it's not going very well.

https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1627309427907854336

I just read this, and have to say I despise this kind of wishy-washy, both-sides-are-bad attitude, as well as all the silly, tired tropes that fill the article.

Yeah, Westerners need to understand how fucked their media is, but that's not enough. A big part of propaganda is just making sure that the Enemy is as bad as you are, and preferably worse. I find that's rarely the case, living in the West.

We were just discussing casualties. We have Russia's enemies (the BBC) confirming Russia's own statements of casualties. Meanwhile, Ukraine is refusing to release any kind of realistic numbers. There are protests in Ukraine by the wives of soldiers who have been listed as "missing" for 6 months!

So is Russia equal to Ukraine or the West in this regard, or is Russia in fact being more truthful? I think obviously the latter.

We also just discussed that Russia allows hostile foreign press to operate in it's borders, and even routinely accept interviews where they are asked confrontational, unscripted questions with plenty of pressing and follow up. How many times has Lavrov appeared on the BBC to make Russia's case? It's impossible, though, to imagine Biden sitting down with RT, or Zelensky getting grilled on 60 minutes. So is Russia's media policy as bad as the West's, or is it in fact better than the West's? Again, I think it's obviously the latter.

And then the other main thing I hate is this 'autocracies versus democracies' narrative. Russia is at least as democratic as the USA or Britain. They have elections, Putin has broad public support and legitimacy. Westerners may not like this, but that's just a fact. Putin is more popular to Russians than any Western leader is in their home countries. It's hard to take seriously talk about democratic principles when the US congress usually has an approval rating in the single digits, and no American ever gets a single major thing they ever want. Ditto for Canada, the UK, France, Germany, etc.

exhibit A in how consuming ccp/kremlin propaganda for 30 years rots your brain

i'm sure navalny and the tens of thousands of russians who were arrested recently for talking about the war disagree with the garbage you write

This post was edited by duffman316 on Feb 20 2023 01:10pm

That's a joke thread from a guy who got one thing right early on, and then has produced nothing but cope and wrong predictions. Which he again does here, the same dumb thing he's said a hundred times before:


Just like they ran out of missiles, drones, tanks and shells every single month since March, they will definitely run out this summer.

At some point, some of you people are going to need to realize that Russia actually has factories that make things. Hard to imagine when you live in the hollow husk of an industrial nation like America, I know.


We've now reached the stage where Bakhmut, which is enormously strategically important as everyone said right up until about December, is being written off as "some gains", lol. I forget what stage of loss that is.