if you want another dive into total casualties, both sides, i dond mind reviewing it, but its a moot point to my mind since it is generally accepted, on all sides, that the ukrainian army has been battered and has low numbers, by now. To be clear: there cant be 5:1 odds you have suggested as there would be no ukrainian army by now if that was the total loss ukraine:russia. to further drive home this point, it is also accepted both sides, that russia has firing way more artillery then the ukrainians. if you fire more stuff you certainly will have lower casualties on your side (unless idiotic ofc).

you dont have to convince me that ukraines is up shit creek ok. i think your better off aiming your statement at someone else.

What Ukraine has to do in the short term is survive this russian offensive and someone look for a win / more support from the west to retain their fighting army.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 20 2023 12:14pm

I posted a few days ago, the BBC has updated their numbers of Russian dead, which includes Wagner and former LDR/DPR militias, puts them at "28,000." As before, they add in the same "40-60% higher" without explaining why, I speculate because the 28,000 number just about perfectly matched the Russian MODs own reports of deaths.

Some leaks have suggested Ukrainian casualties as high as 268,000. That seems high, I imagine it's somewhere around an even 200,000 so far.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Feb 20 2023 12:14pm

The BBC is not really a reputable broadcaster anymore though, having been butchered by the conservative party, especially when relating to the ukrainian war. your better off using al jazeera to get an impartial view. News broadcasting and reporting quality has ever declined. for topic's such as this war and facets of it its more about spinning a story then to report facts.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 20 2023 12:17pm

I agree in general that the BBC is rank state propaganda, but in this case they're reporting on the Enemy Of The Moment, so I think it's a good source to use for seeing the upper limit of Russian deaths. They, like before, physically went to graveyards, and also trawled social media.

So 28,000 with a possible 50% extra seems to be the number.

5:1.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Feb 20 2023 12:19pm

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-ukraine-kyiv-trip-humiliation-russia-pro-putin-pundits-2023-2?utm_source=reddit.com

Not sure why orcs are mad biden visited ukraine? Thought it was clear the usa sides with ukraine in this war

just to be clear, your saying the bbc is reporting 28K russian dead and some other site is suggesting x5 times that number of ukrainian dead. was a similar exercise to determine ukrainian casualties carried out or where are you getting this ratio from?



afaik thats paid content, i.e. the sponsors pay that company to post certain stories (accepted this occurs everywhere).

meanwhile....

UNITED NATIONS, February 20. /TASS/. China supports Russia's draft resolution submitted to the UN Security Council to investigate the terrorist attack on Russia’s Nord Stream gas system, Zhang Jun, China's Permanent Representative to the UN, told reporters on Monday.

The document may be put to the vote this week, Russia has requested a UN Security Council meeting on the situation with the pipelines for February 22.

"Of course" the diplomat said.

"We heard the call from members of the Security Council to have investigation over the explosion. We see that request is legitimate," the Chinese diplomat added. " We are supportive to have the SC discussions and also to take appropriate actions to make sure that we have a clear picture on what happened and then to get those who have done that, accountable," Zhang Jun said.

On February 17, Russia submitted a draft UN Security Council resolution to investigate the terrorist attack on the gas system. It proposes that the UN secretary general create an independent international commission of lawyers to investigate the sabotage.

According to a TASS source, the document stresses that the lawyers should be impartial and have international recognition and experience. The commission also should include the necessary number of experts. If the resolution is adopted, the UN secretary general is to make a report to the UN Security Council about concrete modalities of creating the commission within 14 days.

The text of the proposed document also condemns the fact that a number of interested parties, including the pipeline operator, were not allowed to participate in the probe into the blasts.

On September 27, 2022, Nord Stream AG reported unprecedented damage that occurred the day before on three strings of the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 offshore gas pipelines. On September 26, Swedish seismologists registered two explosions on the pipeline routes. The Russian Prosecutor General's Office launched a criminal case based on charges of international terrorism.


This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 20 2023 12:29pm

No, because no Western media organization would ever engage in that kind of insubordination. And if they did, they'd likely be expelled from Ukraine.

That's worth contrasting to Russia allowing BBC Russia to visit cemeteries, interview people, ask tough questions of officials at every level of Russian politics.

No one will count Ukrainian graves, no one will ask Zelensky an unscripted question. You have to go to Russia for that kind of freedom.

by all accounts ukrainian losses have been catastrophic. however, one would comment they have not lost their will to resist and to repeatedly seek additional aid, which euro countries seem to be a bit slow in providing.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 20 2023 12:34pm

Certain factions haven't, for sure. But when you have AFU conscription officers forcibly picking up middle aged men and tossing them into the back of appropriated ambulances to ship off to the front lines against their will, well, maybe you have to understand there is a growing disconnect between what the political and military class of Ukraine wants and what regular people want.

feel free to reference sources to support this position