Fair enough, you should be a diplomat Ferdia lol

just being pedantic now.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 20 2023 07:28am

I didn't say "attack Russia" I said it's NOT POSSIBLE to attack Russia --> only option is to support Ukraine --> Russia is going to win which means NATO is going to lose.

Navalny fresh declaration about the war:

https://twitter.com/navalny/status/1627632098608644099

=> "Stop the aggression, end the war and withdraw all of its troops from Ukraine."

+ Biden surprise visit:



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Still fapping on NordStream ? Would be a pity.

Nato won't lose as its not technically at war. The Western powers, and their allies, are supporting Ukraine duing this time of war. For Nato to be more directly involved would mean WW3. Therefore while we support Ukraine, if Ukraine loses its a blow to the western world but not technically the loss of Nato. If that makes logical sense.

TLDR: your right, if Russia wins its a loss for Nato.

I think because of the global spectacle the West has made of Ukraine, it could easily be seen by many other countries as a sea change moment if Russia were to "win".

That in my opinion is more dangerous to NATO than any military threat since we are talking about nuclear powers. Russia/China/whomever will never be able to challenge the West militarily because nukes exist, even if they had the conventional forces to do so, so the only real threats to the West are economic and internal, both which could be made much worse by a public loss of face. Depends how it was spun by governments and media of course but I feel like they have invested a lot more than just money and weapons Ukraine, their credibility is going to be tied to this one way or another, at least IMO.

NATO has pledged approximately 70 billion dollars of miltary and humanitarian aid for Ukraine.

Let's be generous and double that amount to include training and support before the 2022 special military illegal invasion.

So 140 billion spent on training and supporting Ukraine over almost a decade.

NATOs combined military spending for a single year is about 1.2 trillion dollars.

So it had cost NATO around 12% of its annual combined miltary budget.
Compare that with the cost to Russia.

It's not a popular opinion I know. But it is a reality.

If Russia does accomplish its strategic goals, whatever those actually are; It is not a certainty but it is Russias to lose at this point, it was not expected that Ukraine would resist this long or indefinitely.
Then will it be a geopolitical loss for NATO? Yes.
Will it be a public relations loss for NATO? Probably, yes.
Will it be a military loss for NATO? Far from it.

Anyone that thinks this will end in anything but a miltary "win" for NATO is out of their mind.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 20 2023 08:37am

you clearly have no idea whats going on in europe

Evil cabal Russia will win