Try again, you can do this.
In your opinion is this statement true or false
"Russia has proven it can defeat all of NATO in a proxy war"?

My opinion is you are a moron not worth engaging with apart from occasionally mockery. Try again though, maybe I'll answer your question if you phrase it differently.

Thought as much, shitposter multi confirmed.

# The collective West has been quietly training / equipping Ukraine since 2014.

# Massive additional mobilization in Ukraine since Feb 2022.

# Massive billions upon billions additional aid to Ukraine since Feb 2022.

# Additional training of Ukrainian troops abroad, many additional weapons systems sent.

Results: Ukraine burned through 7 years worth of javelin production in one year time, the same likely applies to NLAWS. Ukraine burned through NATO artillery stockpiles. NATO production can't even keep up, Stoltenberg recently admitted that.

Russia seems to have plenty ammo while mindless drones like you are under the impression that Russia gas station is running out of everything, economy crashed due to sanctions, all Russians fled the country and Vlad died of cancer at least a couple times.

In reality Russia is the largest nation on Earth, abundant resources, 6K nukes and an authoritarian regime that does whatever it takes to grind Ukraine into the ground despite NATO's best efforts.

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Oh ya, who's multi am I? Just curious

In regards to the shitposter part, I suppose that's partially true, but to be fair you provide great motivation by being wrong with most of what you say. I just don't see you as worth engaging with in good faith because of how I've seen you "debate" in this thread.

Not very constructive of me I admit, but it is fun, and in reality there isn't much difference between a few pages of your shit opinions and a few pages of us bickering so I might as well get some enjoyment out of it, don't you think?

So this is notably the first time a US president has visited an active foreign war zone that the United States is ostensibly not involved in.

dont worry, once the tanks, aircraft carriers, submarines and long range missiles arrive ukraine will totally win this

From a Pro American Stand Point:

In the run up to the war there was a concern that Germany and Western Europe's resolve in supporting Ukraine would be put to the test if Russia "Weaponised" Energy. i.e. Russian gas is cheap, and Russia could simply blackmail europe into doing things europe would otherwise not do. Something like : "stop encroaching on us / stop supporting Ukraine / No Nato expansion". The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline should never have been built as it strengthed the dependance Europe would have on co-operating with Russia. This is not in US Interests, and from a US standpoint, is not in EU interests noting Russia and Putin are viewed with hostility.

Therefore, on balance of the evidence, cause and effect, etc, it is my view that the US blew up the Nord Stream 2 in order to firm European resolve to not negotiate or bow to Russian aggression. Ultimalty Ukraine is a soverign state and should be included in conversations re: Europe and it ill becomes Europe to in any way tacitly support Ukraine's destruction / partition, at the hands of Russia, therefore EU countries should (a) not have allowed this thing to be built in the first place and (b) not complain when the US blows it up and (c) If they still complain the US can give them some busines to make up for the loss.

Ultimately Russia has invaded Ukraine, this is not a special operation, it is a war, even though they still call it a special operation. It has been proven that Russia has commited war crimes and we do not know how far Putin will take this war. Will he attack other countries ? certainly he will undermine elections throughout Europe as he has done already for decades. We do not believe he will attack a Nato country and therefore it is recommended that more countries join Nato / or aspire to join Nato, ASAP.

there, how am I doing?

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 20 2023 05:45am

Pretty accurate imo

guys reminder, dont flame each other too hard!