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Feb 19 2023 02:11pm
Really weird to give yourself pep talks in the guise of responding to someone else.
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Feb 19 2023 02:49pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Feb 19 2023 08:11pm)
Really weird to give yourself pep talks in the guise of responding to someone else.


Russia - Gets stopped by the poorest nations in Europe's military.

kusotarre1 - "basically defeat the entirety of NATO in a proxy war"

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 19 2023 02:49pm
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Feb 19 2023 08:09pm
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Russia - Gets stopped by the poorest nations in Europe's military.

kusotarre1 - "basically defeat the entirety of NATO in a proxy war"


This is what happens to your brain when your "news" is UkraineWarReport on reddit.

Your geopolitical opinions have the depth of a wine moms drunken Facebook rants.
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Feb 19 2023 08:56pm
I just can't see how this is going to end. There aren't an infinite amount of people in ukraine. But they don't seem willing to give up either. Big cities just bombed to ruins. It surely must be breaking their morale a little bit. I just can't believe putin and their "comrades" are willing to go this far. Imagine the hate behind this.

It's just like playing civilization 2. When you play on hardest, there is usually always one civilization getting big quickly. And if or when they come in contact with you, they go like this "Queen Cleopatra sees your civilization as a minor province and demands tribute" etc.. I just can't believe someone being so delusional in the real world.

It really does make me thing they will use threat of nuclear weapons, if there should be a situation where russia becomes invaded.

But then you look at the world map .. look how insanely huge russia is ^^ It must be one of the worst countries in the world to invade. I mean it would take decades and decades to invade it completely. And one other huge advantage they have, is that with such a huge area, nuclear bombs become kind of redundant to use. You'd have to use like 500 to nuke it into oblivion, and that's obviously going to affect the world in a hugely negative way .. so that's kind of out of the question.

But .. of course, just dropping one over moscow would eliminate putin and this circle, so that would most likely get things to a better path immediately - again, most likely. Not assuredly. It is kind of absurd how so many people live in fear of putin's system. Otherwise, they would have revolted and taken him out a long time ago.

And i'm like, of course every country is allowed to live as they want. But blaming the west and nato for fueling the conflict, when he is the one starting it, is just delusional.


I have a relation that keeps on about "giving a small piece of ukraine to keep the peace". And i'm all for keeping the peace, but when youo give a bully a piece, they're going to want a bigger piece. Negotiating with bullies is a very dumb idea. In civilization: alpha centauri, i actually do give to keep the peace, but that is a strategy to keep them happy until i am strong enough to retaliate. If they try to extort me then, then it's time for war, if they want to do it that way.

It is a game. But in real life we are gambling with lives. And it's kind of crazy how putin is willing to gamble with so many lives. I would not be surprised if the conflict gets bigger and lasts for a very long time, like a decade or two. Value conflicts like these that goes back hundreds, or even a thousand years, are probably some of the most difficult conflicts to stop. It would be very interesting to know how professional diplomats are working, i mean how they work to keep dampening conflicts and keeping relations between countries and nations.
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Feb 19 2023 11:52pm
Quote (Taurean @ Feb 19 2023 06:56pm)
It really does make me thing they will use threat of nuclear weapons, if there should be a situation where russia becomes invaded.

Yeah, that's literally what Russian nuclear doctrine says. In the event of a war that threatens the existence of the state, nukes will be used.

This is much more restrictive than America's nuclear doctrine, which says nukes can be used whenever "strategic interests" are at stake.

Quote (Taurean @ Feb 19 2023 06:56pm)
But .. of course, just dropping one over moscow would eliminate putin and this circle, so that would most likely get things to a better path immediately - again, most likely. Not assuredly. It is kind of absurd how so many people live in fear of putin's system. Otherwise, they would have revolted and taken him out a long time ago.

Complaining about Russia's hypothetical use of nuclear weapons, followed by a statement of wanting to use nuclear weapons, lmao.

And Russians don't 'live in fear' of Putin. He's actually popular within Russia, and so is support for the war. If Putin was going to be deposed by some popular revolution or inside coup at this point, he would probably be replaced with someone much less conciliatory to the West. Most of the complaining about Putin is that he is too open to dialogue and too soft in persecuting this war.

Quote (Taurean @ Feb 19 2023 06:56pm)
And i'm like, of course every country is allowed to live as they want. But blaming the west and nato for fueling the conflict, when he is the one starting it, is just delusional.

The West started this war when they couped Ukraine in 2014. No coup, no war. You can disagree with that all you want, it's your right, but you should also understand that outside the West - in Asia, Africa, South America - this is the standard understanding of this conflict that most people hold.

Quote (Taurean @ Feb 19 2023 06:56pm)
It would be very interesting to know how professional diplomats are working, i mean how they work to keep dampening conflicts and keeping relations between countries and nations.

Western diplomats don't dampen conflict, they start conflict. They have to, because without conflict you get development, and with development you lose access to unequal exchange, the primary way in which today's empires extract surplus from the periphery. About 12 trillion dollars a year flows from underdeveloped countries to Western countries.
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Feb 20 2023 12:42am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Feb 20 2023 02:09am)
This is what happens to your brain when your "news" is UkraineWarReport on reddit.

Your geopolitical opinions have the depth of a wine moms drunken Facebook rants.


Truth hurts does it?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 20 2023 12:43am
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Feb 20 2023 01:15am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 20 2023 02:42am)
Truth hurts does it?

No one cares if you make fun of Russia or say "hahaha Russia is going to lose" are you 6 years old?

It just shows your opinions are meaningless tribalism, which isn't that unique or upsetting, the reason people clash with you in this thread so often is because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, you look up information that supports your view, you dont have any interest in anything that contradicts it. That's bad enough but then you make assertions and declarations that are grating to people that actually take the time to read more than a headline and quotes.

You should stick to conflicts more in line with your mental capabilities, like football maybe? I'm sure you'd make a fine hooligan
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Feb 20 2023 02:36am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Feb 20 2023 07:15am)
No one cares if you make fun of Russia or say "hahaha Russia is going to lose" are you 6 years old?

It just shows your opinions are meaningless tribalism, which isn't that unique or upsetting, the reason people clash with you in this thread so often is because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, you look up information that supports your view, you dont have any interest in anything that contradicts it. That's bad enough but then you make assertions and declarations that are grating to people that actually take the time to read more than a headline and quotes.

You should stick to conflicts more in line with your mental capabilities, like football maybe? I'm sure you'd make a fine hooligan


Ad hominem aside, has
"Russia defeated all of NATO in a proxy war"?

Try to comment on this if you can, try to comment on anything apart from me if you can.
We'll all wait.
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Feb 20 2023 02:47am
Who blew up nord stream and why?

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Feb 20 2023 02:50am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 20 2023 04:36am)
Ad hominem aside, has
"Russia defeated all of NATO in a proxy war"?

Try to comment on this if you can, try to comment on anything apart from me if you can.
We'll all wait.


Lol I love how you think I value your opinion or any actual discussion with you

Pro tip, I do not.

My annoyance with you comes from having to see your braindead opinions all the time because I follow this thread for opinions of people who read, is there a way to block a user's posts? Otherwise expect the same treatment in the future, whenever I feel in the mood at least.

Who is the "we" you always start referring to when people point out your many flaws as a person? You, Fender and Meanwhile? The A team lmao
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