Quote (Meanwhile @ 17 Feb 2023 00:39)

And you, are you endorsing Iran & North korea ? Again the same: Down your pants or Get deterrence.
Your choice.



That I perfectly understand the argument, and my answer was that Japan and South Korea would definitely count on the rest of the free world support and not isolate themselves with their nukes.
Things have changed since 80 years... Like EU: as reminder France and UK have nuclear deterrence and US still have their bases + major economic relationship.

This is NATO countries anyway. Btw next trigger would be: Taiwan to join NATO :love:



It would arrange you if it was that, right ?

Quote (ferdia @ 17 Feb 2023 00:52)

^meanwhile referring to the post the other day :

1. Post 21785 Meanwhile - (summarized now) - You posted a video wherein at a point it was proposed that the idea was to and I quote "Taking Crimea is the path to definitive victory"
2. Post 21786 Ferdia - (summarized now) - I watched the video you posted, outlined my familiarity with the person being interviewed and then elaborated that, and I quote "The caveat, or condition, that he has for a ukraine win, is that the west provides ukraine with what is needed to win. He also states that the west IS NOT AND HAS NOT provided Ukraine with the tools needed to win, therefore his entire argument is a fallacy."
3. Post 21788 Meanwhile - (summarized now) - I didnt even watch the video, only the main idea that"Taking Crimea is the path to definitive victory" is interesting.

It is not safe for your arguments in this thread to provide video's without having watched them. similarly it is not safe for your argument / position to argue a persons position when you dont understand what the person is alluding to. I am trying to help you. If you want people to be more aligned to your view point I recommend you not jump to conclusions, no one is out to get you, we accept you have a different view then some of us. If you argue using sound logic you will win more people to your view. There are alot of sound arguments that you could use to be on much firmer ground against what Russia is doing. You dont have to use unsound arguments.

As an example, starting now, for the next month I will take the US position in the topic using sound logic as opposed to anything else, to champion the western position. note i said: position, not narrative (the narrative is deeply flawed).

Quote (ferdia @ 17 Feb 2023 01:04)

For myself when i get the time (noting for the next month I am going to be Pro US) - (accepting d2r ladder reset later haha) :

mention:

1. mention Russian political system and ideology
2. mention Moldova and election tampering
3. mention Western Values and global idea of democracy
4. mention threat to democracy is a clear and present danger
5. mention benefits of democracy and being able to work together (subservient to the US)
6. mention Nato as a defensive alliance
7. mention Us foreign policy in a positive light - policeman
8. mention impending offensive, soverign state, war crimes
9. mention war crimes as above
10. mention good vs evil west is best
11. mention EU combined agreement and censure of those that undermine the war effort.

dont mention:

1. dont mention nord stream as that would result in position that the president of the united states should be impeached.
2. dont mention sphere of influnce but rather collective defence
3. dont mention US foreign poilicy in a bad light but rather worlds policeman
4. dont mention election tampering in europe or ukraine (or only reference it in a positive light) but rather maintaining stability in the western world
5. dont mention ukrainian war crimes but rather its war and shit happens.
6. dont mention ukrainian nationalism in a negative light as above
7. dont mention boris johnson or refusal to negotiate in a bad light but rather that we want to change how russia does things
8. dont mention not willing to back down in a bad light but rather that russia needs to back down
9. dont mention US past crimes against humanity but rather that you should not cry over spilled milk

^hamsterbaby (or anyone else for that matter) feel free to take the counter argument.

Quote (ferdia @ 16 Feb 2023 17:52)

^meanwhile referring to the post the other day :

1. Post 21785 Meanwhile - (summarized now) - You posted a video wherein at a point it was proposed that the idea was to and I quote "Taking Crimea is the path to definitive victory"
2. Post 21786 Ferdia - (summarized now) - I watched the video you posted, outlined my familiarity with the person being interviewed and then elaborated that, and I quote "The caveat, or condition, that he has for a ukraine win, is that the west provides ukraine with what is needed to win. He also states that the west IS NOT AND HAS NOT provided Ukraine with the tools needed to win, therefore his entire argument is a fallacy."
3. Post 21788 Meanwhile - (summarized now) - I didnt even watch the video, only the main idea that"Taking Crimea is the path to definitive victory" is interesting.

It is not safe for your arguments in this thread to provide video's without having watched them. similarly it is not safe for your argument / position to argue a persons position when you dont understand what the person is alluding to. I am trying to help you. If you want people to be more aligned to your view point I recommend you not jump to conclusions, no one is out to get you, we accept you have a different view then some of us. If you argue using sound logic you will win more people to your view. There are alot of sound arguments that you could use to be on much firmer ground against what Russia is doing. You dont have to use unsound arguments.

As an example, for the next month I will take the US position in the topic using sound logic as opposed to anything else, to champion the western position. note i said: position, not narrative.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 16 Feb 2023 17:55)

You still don't understand. If Japan and Taiwan and South Korea have nuclear capabilities. The US will lose her control over them. Because you can always lay a narrative if you are military weak and that has been the case that the US have been providing for these countries for years that you will be invaded.
[...]
And I will make sure that I will create a situation where your security will be threaten.
South Korea beef here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_US_beef_protest_in_South_Korea

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 16 2023 05:18pm)

you take the democrat stance and I take the Republican stance. :lol:

Quote (ferdia @ 17 Feb 2023 01:26)

I said position, not narrative, i even bolded that part!!

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 16 2023 05:29pm)

See Sauceman reply.
:rofl:

Quote (ferdia @ 16 Feb 2023 18:32)

He does not understand but he is not from that part of the world. you explained it once, he does not agree, there is no need to reiterate your position, i mean its not as if the US would be stupid enough to give Japan nukes so its really an irrelevant point.
but Japan probably will get nukes in my life time, or well, pro japanse forces will have nukes permanently in the region just in case *wink wink*

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 16 Feb 2023 18:29)

See Sauceman reply.
:rofl:
LOL why the hell would i fear the Chinese interest. If US wins I make more money.
:rofl:

I find him lacking common sense that he is starting to say that I fear the Chinese interests is being threaten just because I am yellow.

:rofl:

Quote (ferdia @ 16 Feb 2023 18:32)

He does not understand but he is not from that part of the world. you explained it once, he does not agree, there is no need to reiterate your position, i mean its not as if the US would be stupid enough to give Japan nukes so its really an irrelevant point.
but Japan probably will get nukes in my life time, or well, pro japanse forces will have nukes permanently in the region just in case *wink wink*