get up on the podium and say "Heil, mein fuhrer Trump"

anything short of this will be insufficient for them

This post was edited by Giannis on May 4 2020 12:34pm

The margin he has for handling this well is incredibly small considering his recent virtue signaling to the metoo movement imo.

The morning joe interview was a disaster so he should probably not do another one until this maybe blows over. Only speak of it with prepared speeches.

Calling for the release of documents is a good strategy, but he also has to contend with sealing his records at that university.

His best strategy is to let others try and debunk this for him.

Facts and evidence on his side, not posturing. As excellence would say in the vegan restaurant, wheres the beef?

What facts and evidence could he present that he hasn't presented? What has he done that you see as posturing and what could he have done that you wouldn't have seen as posturing?

Well in terms of not posturing, he could not make big PR releases requesting records from someone who can't legally release them, he could have not distributed talking points falsely declaring the NYT said they concluded nothing happened. There's been a conspicuous amount of astroturfing on Twitter and Reddit out of his camp, Krassensteins working overtime on character assassination, I don't doubt his campaign is orchestrating the response. In terms of facts and evidence: Its up to Joe to come up with explanations for the evidence against him, to raise his own defense. If he doesn't like the fact that the court of public opinion is guilty until proven innocent with the burden of proof on the accused, well he's been partaking of the blood in that ritual for years. There's something very wrong when Joe Biden is simultaneously refusing to search the records he controls at the University of Delaware, while requesting a search of senate archives which can't be legally be released. The only rational explanation is that he's deflecting. As long as he can point at the senate and say, "they aren't searching their records either", he can avoid opening his troves.

Accusations like this aren't fair to begin with, aren't judged on a reasonable standard of proof, not in the age of MeToo. But even in a fair court, when the evidence is against you and numerous witnesses and corroboration speak out (nevermind the standards of hearsay), then the only recourse is a competent defense that can explain it away. Because if you are guilty, you can't. And Joe Biden has been marking every box on the acting-guilty-as-hell checklist

I think the most telling thing about conservatives is that they don't even CARE about the woman. All they care about is how their side was treated unfairly. Apparently, appearing hypocritical to neanderthals is worse than sexual assault/rape.

Lol. Get trump to do the same? Are you here writing 25 posts asking for the actual president to be this transparent?

This post was edited by theCrossbones on May 4 2020 05:00pm

It's so absurd.

Joe doesn't respond, the shill complains. Joe releases an appropriate statement on this accusation, making clear it should be taken seriously, even though he claims he's innocent, the shill calls him inauthentic. Joe does an interview and then asks the Senate to release records, the shill calls it orchestrated.

There's no logic here... it's just a Trump cultist using wildly different standards for Joe Biden, and ignoring Trump's numerous credible allegations.

What's most interesting about this conversation though, is it shines a light on the intellectual honesty and character of Trump's support vs Biden's support. Goom doesn't give a fuck what Trump has done to women... those allegations merit no serious response. Yet he expects Joe Biden to call for a Special Counsel to investigate a claim from 25 years ago.

The Biden supporters here pretty clearly expected Joe to respond to this. We're happy he is taking it seriously. We're not plugging our ears and screaming fake news. That's the asymmetry in our politics these days. Supporters who mirror the cult leader's behavior and character vs serious people. It's a real disadvantage for Democrats because there's so many low information voters in November who can't screen out the misinformation.

Or here's a wild idea: The facts and evidence don't go in Joe's favor. Even you acknowledge that. It looks bad for him, and we keep getting piled on more corroboration.
Joe flaps his mouth a lot and says a bunch of stuff and tries to deflect and whataboutism and distract, but none of it actually changes the facts and evidence. You're satisfied by the scripted, focus group approved messaging even if nothing said actually changes the dynamics of the story. As long as Joe releases an "appropriate statement", who cares if the substance hasn't changed, if the beef is still in the burger.

Either the story is true, or its false. Any framing, spin, contextualization, narrative, messaging, tone- it should all be chucked in the dumpster where it belongs. What I want from Joe to exonerate himself is something that *exonerates himself*.

Yeah, I stopped because he asked for evidence that it's not possible for Biden to give. He's responded that the Delaware records don't contain personnel files, and why the hell would they? They're at a university, they're not at an HR department. Meanwhile he asked the relevant office to release the relevant records, and there's not much else he can do to "provide evidence".

Honestly, I don't really care about the veracity of these claims. There's nothing thats going to come out after 27 years that will definitively prove it happened. I'm most interested in how Biden handles the accusation, and he has handled it better than I've seen other people in similar circumstances handle it. Far better than Trump or Kavanaugh.