Quote (CPK001 @ Mar 24 2016 07:24pm)

What you are actually saying is that you wouldn't do it this particular way. You would do it differently. That is absolutely fine but do not think that your way represents the only or best way to communicate with your creation.

This is the way God has chosen to do it.

Call me curious but imagine there is a huge storm and it is flooding a village and the residents have to evacuate. Yet there is one person who stays behind and he wants to wait for the LORD to rescue him. If you were God almighty, how would you go about rescuing him? What method would you choose?

Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ 25 Mar 2016 05:55)

I was saved when I was 4. I was raised in church, but the churches that I attended were what I would consider legalistic. When I turned 18 I stopped going due to the legalism. As I remained out of God's will, I became more and more miserable. I tried to return to the Lord, but circumstances were as though the Lord wasn't going to allow that yet. He wanted to teach me something. The Lord never left me, but I felt like He was a million miles away at times. I went to college, but everything and I mean everything, Job, school, ect. all went against me. Nothing would work out for me. Way too many details to tell, but basically I felt like I had a curse on my life. I actually came to the point of suicide. I became so very hardened by just a ton of abuse that had happened to me. I told the Lord that if things didn't change, I was going to end it all. I could feel Him standing over me and lift His mighty hand away, just little. I met my wife and got married, had kids. On 9-9-2001 I turned 30. Two days later was 9-11, when the Twin Towers were attacked. I realized that the Lord was coming soon and did not want to remain where I was. He had already been dealing with me for a few years prior, but now it was time to go back. I searched for a church and visited one that was very legalistic. I filled out the visitor's card and they came out to visit on a wed. They asked me to come back. I said "How do I know that this is the church that God want's me to go to"? The man said "have you asked Him" I said "no" He said "Why don't you pray and ask Him and we'll get going". I prayed half heartedly for the Lord to let me know if that was where He wanted me.

That night, about midnight, I laid in my bed, my wife facing the opposite way. I was thinking about whether I wanted to go back there or not and decided, No, I was not going to go back there. The very Moment that I made my decision, I felt God's Holy Spirit begin to slowly move through my wall and hover over my chest. He was in the form of a cloud. I felt His eyes look directly into mine and say "I want you to go back to that church" in a very mild, meek, soft voice, yet without any sound. It was crystal clear. I said "Ok, Lord, if that's where you want me to go I'll go back there. If that's what you want me to do I'll go back to that church". Then I broke down and told Him that I was sorry for my sins and that I would serve Him from now on. I had big issue with the pastor of that church. He was a very strict, breathe down your neck type of a person, yet God used him in my life. He discipled me and taught me how to do the music. The Lord kept opening doors there to serve in a huge way. They had a tract ministry there where they printed up millions of gospel tracts and a booklet called "The Baptist Bread". It's similar to "The Daily Bread".

Quote (CPK001 @ Mar 24 2016 09:24pm)

What you are actually saying is that you wouldn't do it this particular way. You would do it differently. That is absolutely fine but do not think that your way represents the only or best way to communicate with your creation.

This is the way God has chosen to do it.

Call me curious but imagine there is a huge storm and it is flooding a village and the residents have to evacuate. Yet there is one person who stays behind and he wants to wait for the LORD to rescue him. If you were God almighty, how would you go about rescuing him? What method would you choose?

Quote (CPK001 @ Mar 24 2016 10:24pm)

What you are actually saying is that you wouldn't do it this particular way. You would do it differently. That is absolutely fine but do not think that your way represents the only or best way to communicate with your creation.

This is the way God has chosen to do it.

Call me curious but imagine there is a huge storm and it is flooding a village and the residents have to evacuate. Yet there is one person who stays behind and he wants to wait for the LORD to rescue him. If you were God almighty, how would you go about rescuing him? What method would you choose?

Quote (sylvannos @ Mar 25 2016 07:07pm)

...by not flooding the village?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 25 2016 10:50pm)

It doesn't need to be the best way, just a better way. Humans have created much better ways than books to communicate. The almighty God could conceivably use even higher methods, so choosing a thousands of years old book to communicate is awfully suspect...

Quote (Unanswered @ Mar 26 2016 03:12am)

I don't think or claim mine is the best way. Its way better than primitive people claiming to write for me though. Your God has a weak imagination. His method of everything he has done in the Bible is arguably the most ridiculously superfluous one could imagine. As for your question I would stop the storm before it could even muster up because I'm all knowing. I could turn it down so it will just be raining enough for the crops they have out in the gardens. You know good stuff.

Quote (CPK001 @ Mar 25 2016 11:16pm)

Then that's your way.



The almighty God has used the greatest method known to man...man to help him communicate. Remember Jesus came down in human form. What are the different methods of communication? Reading, speaking, sign language that I know of off the top of my head. Does it matter what form it comes in? Whether you're reading from a book or from a screen, it's still the same method of communication. Whether I'm on a skype call or in person, the method of communication is still the same.

Back then they didn't have all the technology we have today. All they had was words written down on scrolls and words. Right now we have email and telephones. The only thing that has changed is the speed of the same message going through in a different form.



Then that's your way.

Quote (CPK001 @ 26 Mar 2016 05:16)

...they didn't have all the technology we have today. ....

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 26 2016 03:32pm)

Uhhh, god isn't limited by human technology. They only had scrolls? Are you serious? God has everything and more at his disposal. God is not limited to words, he is not limited to the physical methods of communication. God could change our hearts, he could change our minds so the information is always contained within it from birth down to the last detail. It's so strange that Christians are always the first to put limits on God.

Quote (brmv @ Mar 26 2016 03:35pm)

why? didn't they want to use twitter? #CPK001goestoHell :P

Quote (CPK001 @ Mar 26 2016 01:26am)

Free will quote.

"God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go either wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong; I cannot. If a thing is free to be good it is also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata-of creatures that worked like machines-would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they must be free.

Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth the risk. Perhaps we feel inclined to disagree with Him. But there is a difficulty about disagreeing with God. He is the source from which all your reasoning power comes: you could not be right and He wrong any more than a stream can rise higher than its own source. When you are arguing against Him you are arguing against the very power that makes you able to argue at all: it is like cutting off the branch you are sitting on. If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will-that is, for making a live world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings-then we may take it it is worth paying."

What is twitter?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 26 2016 05:43pm)

God does not honor free will. The bible has stories in which he willingly interacts with people yet they retain their free will. It also tells us how he hardened Pharaoh's heart so the Jews would stay in Egypt longer, directly violating Pharaoh's free will. The idea that God respects free will shows a distinct lack of basic knowledge about the bible.