Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 16 2023 09:42am)

I will say that in terms of hegemony/reputation, which does have an affect on non-aligned countries and how they perceive the current US global dominance; Then the war in Ukraine will draw cast some negative aspersions on the US, if Russia is deemed to take a resounding "victory". Also the Afghanistan withdrawal and war in general has negatively impacted the US military reputation. Less from a technical standpoint, but an ideological/long-term planning standpoint.

There are also vectors were the US military/intelligence machine is gaining exponentially from what is currently going on; That is simply a statement of fact and not something that I support or am happy about.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 16 2023 02:38pm)

If Taiwan and Japan have Nukes and is being controlled fully by the Japanese government or the Taiwanese government in Taiwan.
The US is fucked

Quote (said_aouita @ Feb 16 2023 02:44pm)

Russia has zero chance at winning in Ukraine, thankfully.

Quote (Meanwhile @ 16 Feb 2023 22:43)

https://i.imgur.com/qeYwpl9.mp4
Japan being a nuclear power would be -totally- awesome.
Ofc US would still be there in case to protect Taiwan from CCP fascists.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 16 2023 03:04pm)

I don't think you understand what I mean and I will explain to you in a very civil matter.

Lets start with Japan.

Japan lost WW2 to the US with two Atom bombs obliterating Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Although the United States were aiming for the " weapons factory " huge amount of civilians we wiped out.
MaArthur took this decision because a direct land invasion in Tokyo forcing the Emperor's hand upfront would only stir up nationalism to fight the invaders. This is calculated and the amount of civilians and US soldiers death will far exceed 5 to 6 million.
As compared to the Atomic bombings which took away half a million civilians, this is considered a better choice.

Moving forward, the United States sign treaties with the Japanese preventing them having an " Army " only a " Defense Force " while putting their military in their country and told the Japanese, just work on your economy and we will protect you from the Commies. i.e Soviet, Nk and China to an extent.
They went from a shit poor war torn country to a massive economical Giant in the 70s up to the late 80s.

The Japanese were what the Chinese is now. They have so much money that they boasted buying the entire Wall Street right in the face of the United States. Their ingenuity and innovation and technology know how that they took from the US i.e Semi conductor, chip manufacturing and Car manufacturing push them to the second largest economy in the world almost taking over the United states.

The Japanese car manufacturing collapsed the US Car manufacturing, cheaper better products. Guess what happened to Detroit. At the same time, Japanese protectionism caused a lot of problems in South East Asia accumulated to a point where my Prime Minister went to congress in 1984 / 85 during Reeagan's Government and ask the the US to coerce or use her might to force the Japanese to open up. If this rings a bell , a young robert lighthizer was the one who led the team. This ended up with the Plaza Accord.

The Japanese economy haven't bounced back since then and have been stagnant for the pass 30 or more years. They are held hostage by the USA and her military in Japanese mainland.

Now if the Japanese have Nukes and the government are controlling them.

It simply means that the Japanese do not need the US security or protection anymore, Nuclear powers to not fuck around with Nuclear powers and both the Chinese and Japanese are too close to one another.
The Americans will no longer have a security control on Japan anymore.


Lets talk about Taiwan

The Taiwanese were abandoned by the United States after Kissinger, Nixon etc etc diplomatic mission to China which end up with the One China Policy.
The Taiwanese actually have a working Nuclear Program and are months away from a working Nuclear Bomb during Chiang Ching Kuo's period which is in the late 70s.
Now, if the Taiwanese have at least 10 to 20 working Nuclear bombs , they wouldn't have been threaten by the Mainland Chinese. They would have probably declared to be an independent country 20 to 30 years back.
However, the USA got involved and took everything away.

Now lets move forward to our current day and age and look at the trade volume between China, Taiwan , Japan, South Korea and South East Asia.
And you look at the trade volume between USA and these countries above.
Look at who the neighbours are and how far away they are from one another.

Once the security issue is being resolved , and you think the US wouldn't be fucked?

Do you honestly think that with Taiwan and Japan feeling " safe " because their defense is more than capable they will toe the America foreign policy and do her bidding and become cannon folder?

Think Twice Manu.

By the way this has got nothing to do with political ideologue , Democracy Communism blah blah blah.
The Chinese ain;t gonna spread their communism to these countries.
Its all about " kaching" money, trade , Job etc etc etc.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 16 Feb 2023 23:19)

Japan lost the war long before the bombs were dropped. They didn't have the access to resources or industrial manufacturing output of the allies.
Its even said the bombs were dropped to send a message, rather than to prevent a costly invasion; As its expected the Japanese had basically no choice but to surrender by 1945.

You can see it as being held hostage by the US. Or you can see it as deterring China from taking Japan/Taiwan hostage.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 16 2023 03:28pm)

The Chinese / CCP have no economical / military clout at that time The CCP fucked everything up between late 1950s all the way up to Mao's death.

First, the screwed up famine and incompetence of the CCP killed more than 50 million people and the stupid Red Guards that went around screwing everyone up because of that stupid little Mao Red book.
I know , because my family were victims of that era. We lost EVERYTHING. China have no way of taking both countries even if she wants to.

Also , please note Taiwan is Chinese as well, 99 percent Han Chinese , these guys were the remnants of the KMT who lost the Civil War to the CCP.
Not only is the Chinese incapable of taking Japan or Taiwan, to the North the relationship between Mao's Government and khrushchev government were almost non existence. The Chinese refused to take commands from Moscow.
This is also why the USA came in with the Diplomatic mission.

China was America's first island chain to deter Soviet Aggression in the late 60s to 70s in the East.

So your point of deterring China from taking Japan or Taiwan , I dunno what you are talking about.
If you are talking about Taiwan, it is a civil war , not some Ukraine /Russia conflict whereby one sovereign country invades another sovereign country because of " reasons" .

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 16 Feb 2023 23:43)

At bold. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 16 2023 03:56pm)

No , I don't honestly. Explain.
The china commies in 1959, 1979 , 1999, 2019 are completely different. If you think they are the same you really need to check.
And up till now , after WW2 where Xinjiang and Tibet is given to China for control which the West STFU, because the KMT is still in power and haven't lost the Civil war.
And Taiwan which was being under Japanese control was being "returned" to KMT ( China ).

There is not a recorded historical fact since the late Qing dynasty that the Chinese have invaded any country.

The Germans did.
The Japanese did.
The French did.

The Netherlands , USA, Spanish , Portuguese , British colonize almost the entire world for the past 300 to 400 years.

Now give me facts that the Chinese invaded any country.
Did they go to war? Yes they did. WW2 they did, They had a war with Vietnam, they shot some missiles in the Taiwan straits.
They have border fights with the Indians.

They got involved with the India Pakistan war and was on the West side being led by the United States to protect Pakistan while the Soviets backed the Indians.

Now tell me if you are talking about the bolded part that my family lost everything because of the Mao Red Guards and Gang of Four.
What does it have to do with the current state of affairs.

White people used to enslave black people, should I blame the white people now because of what they did in the past?

Quote (ferdia @ 17 Feb 2023 00:01)

i honestly think you will need to say this 10 times in 10 different ways for people to understand the china issue facing the US. why dont you verbalise the threat posed by China, in the eyes of the American government. (please). accepted this is slightly off topic.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 16 Feb 2023 23:43)

At bold. You know exactly what I'm talking about.