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Feb 15 2023 12:34pm
Quote (Pisior @ Feb 15 2023 06:29pm)
and why Putin will do this so? zelensky can kill his people since 2014 , nobody say nothing, when russia come on, omg its a tragedy


if you want a parrallel from history here it is:

From 1778 to 1871, the United States government entered into more than 500 treaties with the Native American tribes all of these treaties have since been violated in some way or outright broken by the US government with Native Americans and First Nations peoples still fighting for their treaty rights in federal courts and at the United Nations.

basically Putin is the indian and he sees more of "his" land being taken over, and ukraine was the last straw.

this is why Putin does this war. its perfectly understandable when you look at it from a wider lens.
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Feb 15 2023 12:35pm
Quote (Pisior @ 16 Feb 2023 02:29)
and why Putin will do this so? zelensky can kill his people since 2014 , nobody say nothing, when russia come on, omg its a tragedy


I wouldn't say Zelensky kill his people in 2014. He was still an actor then, if you are talking about Euro Maiden, creation of Azov Nazis and the tug of war between the USA and Russia for influence in Ukraine back in 2014.
If you dig deeper into it you will also need to look further back during Obama's period, Victoria Nuland etc etc and try to grasp why all this happened.
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Quote (ferdia @ Feb 15 2023 07:34pm)
if you want a parrallel from history here it is:

From 1778 to 1871, the United States government entered into more than 500 treaties with the Native American tribes all of these treaties have since been violated in some way or outright broken by the US government with Native Americans and First Nations peoples still fighting for their treaty rights in federal courts and at the United Nations.

basically Putin is the indian and he sees more of "his" land being taken over, and ukraine was the last straw.

this is why Putin does this war. its perfectly understandable when you look at it from a wider lens.


yes so its a necessity for all russian , not for only Putin, like he try to say, almost all russian peopel are with Putin.
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Feb 15 2023 12:40pm
Quote (Pisior @ 16 Feb 2023 02:37)
yes so its a necessity for all russian , not for only Putin, like he try to say, almost all russian peopel are with Putin.


Let me give you my point of view.

It might not be a necessity for all Russians but it might be for some and a sizable group of nationalistic Russians
Common citizens just want better social mobility, kids, have a good job, two meals a day , a roof on top of their heads etc etc. Not exactly war.

But this is just my take on things.
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Feb 15 2023 12:41pm
fact is Nato, and many western country are ready to enter in war, they just wanted an excuse " to be the savior of a poor litle country" what a nice movie.
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Feb 15 2023 12:43pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 15 2023 07:40pm)
Let me give you my point of view.

It might not be a necessity for all Russians but it might be for some and a sizable group of nationalistic Russians
Common citizens just want better social mobility, kids, have a good job, two meals a day , a roof on top of their heads etc etc. Not exactly war.

But this is just my take on things.


yes and me and a major parts of my coutnry dont want to help Ukraine, but my president do it... who care..
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 15 2023 06:40pm)
Let me give you my point of view.

It might not be a necessity for all Russians but it might be for some and a sizable group of nationalistic Russians
Common citizens just want better social mobility, kids, have a good job, two meals a day , a roof on top of their heads etc etc. Not exactly war.

But this is just my take on things.


agree with that.

well



This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 15 2023 12:45pm
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Feb 15 2023 12:44pm
when 2 guys are fighting, best way is to wait or to seperate them, not to help one to win...
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Feb 15 2023 12:47pm
Quote (Pisior @ Feb 15 2023 06:44pm)
when 2 guys are fighting, best way is to wait or to seperate them, not to help one to win...


correct.

i referred 1 user to this youtube video: Why is the US not pushing for an end to the Ukraine war? | The Bottom Line

feel free to watch that and provide a commentary.
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Feb 15 2023 12:50pm
Quote (Pisior @ 16 Feb 2023 02:44)
when 2 guys are fighting, best way is to wait or to seperate them, not to help one to win...


But third guy is triggering everything as a show of dominance and it is in the 3rd guys interest to have this war to weaken Russia's influence.
No matter how " weak " it might seems at the moment because of Russia's conventional weaponry , they are still the largest Nuclear Power in the world.
3rd guy want to weaken this Nuclear Power or completely diminish them if they can , so they can continue with the next one.
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