Dug trenches => fortify positions, no use in getting something with motorized divisions you can't keep.

You've repeatedly posted stuff like this, like the one above that's been proven false --> Russian cruise missile debris have been examined and it was found that they were newly produced (hint: Russia evades the sanctions and can still buy chips).

You're dishonest, you should just say oh well the claim that Russia is running out of ammo is BS, their priority is producing that shit 24/7 which they obviously do. But you don't and you seem to be the one that has nightmares about a Russian buildup that you called the biggest joke you ever heard...




MacGregor has been saying what Stoltenberg has now admitted so where's the conspiracy? It's always the same with you, when you don't like the news or a source you call it fake / conspiracy / whataboutism / etc. LOL

And Russia is not capable ^^

Napoleon thought the same when he sent in his "grande armee" right? And Hitler thought the same.

Both the French and German armies were completely thrashed in Russia, LMK if you need sources

History is going to repeat itself. Russia is now on a war footing and building up, imagine what's gonna happen if they fully mobilize and launch all out war against Ukraine.

About the "personal attacks", lol don't even get me started. I've got a ton of reference material bookmarked that shows what YOU are posting here so I wouldn't even try, it's futile

Djunior is quite confrontational, and I see he has a bee in his bonnet with 1 or 2 users however people should understand that in a debate you need to argue from at least 2 different positions, otherwise its not a debate. in this regard djunior to my mind is doing a fine job, which I will support, in order to maintain a balance in the topic. if everyone agreed with each other it would mean that you are not questioning our countries decisions, which to my mind, should be questioned.

ultimately what Djunior has said about war footing is correct. the west is NOT on a war footing. Russia is definitely ramping up its war footing. what this means is, russia is going to throw more men at this, the west is not. the west is giving weapons and aid to ukraine, it is not committing. it really feels that the US is on the fence, considering how far it will take its position(bear in mind that its my position that the US started this conflict), whereas countries like Poland and England are committed (completely or verbally haha) and countries like germany are being pulled along (this is not a criticism of germany - the german position re: reluctance is a weak argument).

If the US wanted to outright "win" this war (on the notion "oh but putin would not use nuclear weapons to protect themselves", they would send nato into ukraine. The likelyhood is that in nato many countries are probably asking the US what their end goal here is because they dont want WW3.

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on another point i will try to get a history of elon tweets about this war, noting the comments made yesterday re: starlink

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 15 2023 03:50am

McGregor is a joke, i provided source. Doing comparisons with wars done 200 or 80 years ago while Russia was a defender is even a bigger joke.
Invalidated.

Russia had a major role in you not speaking german. Chillax

Which one has its role for you not becoming muslim AND soviet zombie at the same time ?

Stick on covid conspiracy, Number 8.

Elon Musk tweets about alot of things.

some snippets re: Ukraine ~

2014 While the US Obama administration was telling Ukraine not to go to war with Russia over Crimea at that time (US calls the shots ok) Elon Musk said that given Russia's invasion of Crimea, the U.S. should pay his company, SpaceX, for launch services into space, because his competitor uses a Russian engine in its rockets. < he was fishing for SpaceX business from the US Government here >

Then in 2022 He proposed a peace plan which involved ceding land to Russia. Ukraine threw its toys in response but accepted that his aid (SpaceX for Ukraine) earlier in the war, kept them alive. He also stated that he could not “indefinitely” fund the system’s use in Ukraine. < he was looking for the US to foot the bill, his logic is pretty solid. I mean Isreal refuses to support the US in the war in Ukraine even though they received over 150billion in aid from the US, Elon went to bat for Ukraine, you really would wonder why the US wont pay that bill. When the US government refused he then stated he would continue to foot the bill ($400M per year) >

if anyone disputes any of that or can fill in the gaps 2014-2022, by all means have at it.



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This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 15 2023 04:48am

Mostly ourselves, we never waved a white flag which is common french practice.

Name conspiracies im sticking to. Eager to hear

also in the news ;

The head of Europe’s conservative parties faced an internal revolt Tuesday over comments by former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi criticizing Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Politicians from nine countries criticized the comments and several said they planned to boycott an upcoming gathering of conservatives in Naples, Italy, if Berlusconi attended, two people with direct knowledge of the exchanges told POLITICO. Berlusconi, an 86-year-old admirer of Russian President Vladimir Putin whose Forza Italia party belongs to the wider European People’s Party (EPP) grouping, sparked outrage over the weekend when he told Italian media that Zelenskyy could have avoided Russia’s invasion if only he’d not attacked the “two autonomous republics of the Donbas” in Ukraine. Berlusconi also said that he judged “very, very negatively the behavior of this gentleman.”

He's a nutjob mate, don't kid yourself. Most prejudiced poster on this sub-forum. Projects the counter of his argument onto others and then seek to tear it down; Perfect example doesn't even read that what I posted agree's with his position.

At the bold: Isin't it a stretch to think NATO would go into Ukraine? That is exactly the scenario we all hope to avoid, an open conflict of major powers. Hence all these proxy narratives.
From a humanist perspective people want Ukraine to succeed. But if you consider it from a realpolitik perspective, the US and NATO are already winning by preventing Russia from winning.

I also think that this idea of avoiding escalation by Russia is a self-imposed idea. I know you said that in retaliation Russia could launch a massive airstrike on Kiev.
Is that really in Russia's favour? What does Putin stand to gain from leveling Kiev?
He would basically loose any sense of legitimacy from his own support; In theory of course, because we know that Russian's will follow Vlad all the way to water edge, and probably even drown in their apathetic compliance.

So what is the potential retaliation for sending more advanced equipment to Ukraine? A nuclear strike? What does Putin stand to gain from using even a tactical nuke?

I also don't want to see a broader conflict. I do think that if we allow larger, aggressor states to break the current order. As in, if we appease Russia's aggression.
Then a broader conflict is exactly what we will get in time.