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Feb 14 2023 03:52pm
First time I am seeing this headline, not convinced of its authenticity. Certainly interesting if true.

https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/02/14/vladimir-putin-pulls-wagner-pmc-out-of-ukraine-amid-fears-their-boss-holds-too-much-power/

If it is true, could be as simple as Wagner has fulfilled its duty of plugging the gap between Russia's first invasion and conscripts reaching the front.
With the side benefit of removing a potentially divisive figure in Prigozhin, from the public eye.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 14 2023 03:53pm
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Feb 14 2023 04:03pm
Quote (Djunior @ 14 Feb 2023 22:01)
So Russia is capable of firing many times more rounds than Ukraine. Stoltenberg has recently admitted this

Douglas MacGregor: The Ukrainians can hardly move or they're destroyed by artillery fire, Ukrainian brigades in Bakhmut lost up to 70% of their strength before being pulled out, Ukraine has reportedly seen 12 rounds of mobilization (!!!), not many left in Ukraine, they're now pressing 16 y/o boys into service...

But Russia taking horrendous casualties to the extend that they've already lost the war...

Keep sucking up that propaganda, you're obviously loving it, lol


No, Russia is not "capable"... They waste tons of artillery in unprecise strikes, while Ukraine is known for being much more precise. Especially with the support of drones and NATO...
Since the beginning of the war people who follow news are aware of this major difference. Ukraine a has big consumption at this moment and NATO will have to compensate, i guess they can do... Without any problem...

After that i reading you are going for Douglas MacGregor again ... Well this guy is an ex-trump admin who spread conspiracies...
Then you are finishing up with saying i'm "Keep sucking up" propaganda ...
This is definitely a personal attack. And i see you are using a very rude language in almost all of your posts. Very sad behavior.

Source:
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/555916-trump-appointee-repeatedly-spread-conspiracy-that-biden-admin-is-bringing-in/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor


Quote (ferdia @ 14 Feb 2023 22:02)
that video is clearly untrue, ergo propaganda. but this is normal. to be precise, the war is not over ergo no side has "won" (yet).
holy moly thats the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff of the US military, he should fire the scriptwriter. mental to expose himself like that, what if russia succeeds, is he going to resign for lying ?


The idea that Ukraine has to do a counter offensive as soons as possible is a consensus now, this is what pushed the whole "tanks panic" recently, then aircrafts (which is still in a state of yes-no-yes-no ... :lol: )
This general was very pessimistic toward ukraine earlier in the invasion.
Now the real question is "when" exactly... They don't have the (all) the tanks atm ! :o
Maybe they will use all what they have now and will count on NATO later for resplenish or whatever.

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Feb 14 2023 04:15pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 14 2023 10:03pm)
No, Russia is not "capable"... They waste tons of artillery in unprecise strikes, while Ukraine is known for being much more precise. Especially with the support of drones and NATO...
Since the beginning of the war people who follow news are aware of this major difference. Ukraine a has big consumption at this moment and NATO will have to compensate, i guess they can do... Without any problem...

After that i reading you are going for Douglas MacGregor again ... Well this guy is an ex-trump admin who spread conspiracies...
Then you are finishing up with saying i'm "Keep sucking up" propaganda ...
This is definitely a personal attack. And i see you are using a very rude language in almost all of your posts. Very sad behavior.

Source:
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/555916-trump-appointee-repeatedly-spread-conspiracy-that-biden-admin-is-bringing-in/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor




The idea that Ukraine has to do a counter offensive as soons as possible is a consensus now, this is what pushed the whole "tanks panic" recently, then aircrafts (which is still in a state of yes-no-yes-no ... :lol: )
This general was very pessimistic toward ukraine earlier in the invasion.
Now the real question is "when" exactly... They don't have the (all) the tanks atm ! :o
Maybe they will use all what they have now and will count on NATO later for resplenish or whatever.


well we will know in a months time. alot is going to happen in the next 4 weeks.
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Feb 14 2023 04:32pm
Images of unloaded Strykers, Bradleys and more at Bremerhaven port.
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Feb 14 2023 04:37pm
Interesting to see the desert camo vehicles. Don't think that is optimal for Ukraine's battlefield.
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Feb 14 2023 04:40pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 14 Feb 2023 23:37)
Interesting to see the desert camo vehicles. Don't think that is optimal for Ukraine's battlefield.


Well, it's still winter and full of snow right now, and will be for the next 4-6 weeks.
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Feb 14 2023 04:45pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 14 2023 10:40pm)
Well, it's still winter and full of snow right now, and will be for the next 4-6 weeks.


I thought the same, still looks to me that "tan" desert camo, isn't exactly optimal winter camo.

Also we could say that the dark camo ones won't be good for winter camo, kind of interesting situation.
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Feb 14 2023 04:59pm
Quote (ferdia @ 14 Feb 2023 23:15)
well we will know in a months time. alot is going to happen in the next 4 weeks.


The mud: Russians may want to get their advance before that IF they are still using these shitty made-in-china tires on their vehicles.
Like using Yellow Sea YS20 instead of Michelin XZL

Do you think it's possible they do the same kind of mistakes again one year to another ?
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Feb 14 2023 05:47pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 14 2023 04:52pm)
First time I am seeing this headline, not convinced of its authenticity. Certainly interesting if true.

https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/02/14/vladimir-putin-pulls-wagner-pmc-out-of-ukraine-amid-fears-their-boss-holds-too-much-power/

If it is true, could be as simple as Wagner has fulfilled its duty of plugging the gap between Russia's first invasion and conscripts reaching the front.
With the side benefit of removing a potentially divisive figure in Prigozhin, from the public eye.


Prigozhin is a liability, I wonder if even the Russian people are comfortable with his level of brutality. The Russian military seems to be attempting a genuine overhaul. Their future is Putin's future, so it makes sense for him to give them what they want, and they want Prigozhin's metaphorical head.
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Feb 14 2023 06:16pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 14 2023 06:47pm)
Prigozhin is a liability, I wonder if even the Russian people are comfortable with his level of brutality. The Russian military seems to be attempting a genuine overhaul. Their future is Putin's future, so it makes sense for him to give them what they want, and they want Prigozhin's metaphorical head.


That headline is meme level disinfo. I mean Wagner is the lead boots on the ground force pressing Bakhmut right now, you're telling me overnight they decided to pull back and risk their advances because some perceived internal power struggle? Makes sense. On a daily basis you see new videos surfacing of Wagner if you follow pro-Russian twitter/telegram accounts, for example most recently they took the town north of Bakhmut, Krasna Gora and there's video evidence with Wagner fighters holding a flag, so why would they all of the sudden sideline the force that's actually pushing?

Idk where you guys get these concocted game of thrones esque intrigues. I could see some animosity between the military brass and Wagner because frankly the latter are just more efficient making the military look bad, but at the end of the day Wagner is an extension of the Russian state and for the most part do their bidding. It's still accountable to the Russian power inner circle and does their bidding whether it's in Ukraine or in Africa displacing the weak French army. Don't think they are in a position right now to self-cannibalize.

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