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#21841
Feb 14 2023 02:16pm
Quote (ferdia @ Feb 14 2023 08:15pm)
how extensively do you want me to reply ?

briefly, the russian viewpoint is the west can give ukraine anything, provided it does not jeopardise russian lands.
i.e. "give ukraine w/e you want provided they dont actually win with it".


I just want to know what specifically is the retaliation.
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Feb 14 2023 02:17pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 14 2023 08:16pm)
I just want to know what specifically is the retaliation.


see my edit.
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Feb 14 2023 02:25pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 14 2023 09:07pm)
I've said Russia has depleted its precision missiles and will struggle with supply chains.
I said unequivocally that Russia was not out of missiles.
Also missiles =/= artillery.

I think you hit your head lately comrade.


Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 14 2023 09:09pm)
MSM give us false information says the guy that just used MSM as a source to backup his argument. :bonk:

Update required comrade, contact Dmitri asap.



Historically there has been alot of dissent though?
Multiple revolutions.
Think there is a definite cultural subservient aspect to Russian culture (serfdom).


ACTUALLY

You've been spamming MSM bullshit continuously while I've been pointing out that Russia's weapons factories are running 24/7 and I've been posting sources that stated that Russia overwhelmed Ukraine in terms of firepower and the Ukrainians were taking huge losses.

Those sources are trashed because it doesn't fit the narrative that the usual suspects like to hear (Russia is losing everywhere, taking huge casualties, meatgrinder, testing ground for NATO, etc)

You're a dishonest clown but that's been clear from the beginning.



Quote (ferdia @ Feb 14 2023 09:10pm)
you are flogging a dead horse Djunior, let it go. whether Russia is running out of ammunition is irrelevant, they can always just make or buy more, it does not need to be repeatedly stated that the MSM (western) narrative re: russia stockpiles is exagerated. Just take every news snippet with a pinch of salt.

tbh im more interested in whether and when jets (and long range weapons) are supplied to ukraine (which btw i am completely against).


No...

The BS that Russia is running out of ammunition is pointless and just trash propaganda. We need proper journalism just like we had decades ago before the wokies and "progressives" took over and fucked everything up.

This post was edited by Djunior on Feb 14 2023 02:25pm
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Feb 14 2023 02:26pm
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 14 2023 08:25pm)
ACTUALLY

You've been spamming MSM bullshit continuously while I've been pointing out that Russia's weapons factories are running 24/7 and I've been posting sources that stated that Russia overwhelmed Ukraine in terms of firepower and the Ukrainians were taking huge losses.

Those sources are trashed because it doesn't fit the narrative that the usual suspects like to hear (Russia is losing everywhere, taking huge casualties, meatgrinder, testing ground for NATO, etc)

You're a dishonest clown but that's been clear from the beginning.





No...

The BS that Russia is running out of ammunition is pointless and just trash propaganda. We need proper journalism just like we had decades ago before the wokies and "progressives" took over and fucked everything up.


You just used MSM as a source; Is MSM bullshit or not?
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Feb 14 2023 02:31pm
Western Ukraine war reporting is propaganda and can't be trusted. This does not make Russian reporting credible because it's a more heavy handed version of the same.

The Russian invasion was a clusterfuck, and clearly didn't go as planned. That being said, the only path forward for the current regime is forward, and there's no imminent prospect of the regime's collapse on the horizon. Any potential replacement for the regime is likely to be more nationalistic, not less, and therefore does not bode well for Ukraine's long-term prospects.
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Feb 14 2023 02:32pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 14 2023 09:26pm)
You just used MSM as a source; Is MSM bullshit or not?


The Skynews crew repeatedly stated before that Russia is running out of ammo, but they can't anymore because even NATO boss Stoltenberg admits the ammunition problem...

I prefer Douglas MacGregor, he shared lot's of detailed information about the real situation (not MSM propaganda)

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Feb 14 2023 02:38pm
Damnit more propaganda:

Top US general says Russia has already 'lost' the Ukraine war and has paid an 'enormous price on the battlefield'

https://www.businessinsider.com/top-us-general-says-russia-has-lost-the-ukraine-war-2023-2?international=true&r=US&IR=T

"They've lost strategically, operationally, and tactically,"

==> Oh well, we all know that, the question is WHEN Ukrainians will be able to counter attack:

Quote (bogie160 @ 14 Feb 2023 21:31)
the only path forward for the current regime is forward


forward or "pause"

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Feb 14 2023 02:52pm
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 14 2023 08:32pm)
The Skynews crew repeatedly stated before that Russia is running out of ammo, but they can't anymore because even NATO boss Stoltenberg admits the ammunition problem...

I prefer Douglas MacGregor, he shared lot's of detailed information about the real situation (not MSM propaganda)


How comfortable is the fence?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 14 2023 08:26pm)
You just used MSM as a source; Is MSM bullshit or not?


?
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Feb 14 2023 02:54pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 14 2023 09:52pm)
How comfortable is the fence?



?


I already responded, bolded for you this time, LMK

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 14 2023 09:02pm)
The irony is that MSM have been telling us time and time again that Russia is running out of ammunition...

And you're the guy that's been parroting MSM bullshit "Russia is out of ammo" :lol:

e: If you'd be honest you'd say well that MSM propaganda is just fucked up, why do they give us false information. But that's if you're honest and that's clearly not the case...


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Feb 14 2023 03:01pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 14 2023 09:38pm)
Damnit more propaganda:

Top US general says Russia has already 'lost' the Ukraine war and has paid an 'enormous price on the battlefield'

https://www.businessinsider.com/top-us-general-says-russia-has-lost-the-ukraine-war-2023-2?international=true&r=US&IR=T

"They've lost strategically, operationally, and tactically,"

==> Oh well, we all know that, the question is WHEN Ukrainians will be able to counter attack:



forward or "pause"


So Russia is capable of firing many times more rounds than Ukraine. Stoltenberg has recently admitted this

Douglas MacGregor: The Ukrainians can hardly move or they're destroyed by artillery fire, Ukrainian brigades in Bakhmut lost up to 70% of their strength before being pulled out, Ukraine has reportedly seen 12 rounds of mobilization (!!!), not many left in Ukraine, they're now pressing 16 y/o boys into service...

But Russia taking horrendous casualties to the extend that they've already lost the war...

Keep sucking up that propaganda, you're obviously loving it, lol
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