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Feb 9 2023 07:13am
Quote (ferdia @ Feb 9 2023 11:14am)
with compliments to dizzy:

"On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops into Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area (in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians. Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) were located in the vicinity at the time and kept a record of the shelling as it took place. What the OSCE discovered was that the bombardment dramatically intensified as the week went on until it reached a peak on February 19, when a total of 2,026 artillery strikes were recorded. Keep in mind, the Ukrainian Army was, in fact, shelling civilian areas along the Line of Contact that were occupied by other Ukrainians.

We want to emphasize that the officials from the OSCE were operating in their professional capacity gathering first-hand evidence of shelling in the area. What their data shows is that Ukrainian Forces were bombing and killing their own people. This has all been documented and has not been challenged.

So, the question we must all ask ourselves is this: Is the bombardment and slaughter of one’s own people an ‘act of war’?

We think it is. And if we are right, then we must logically assume that the war began before the Russian invasion (which was launched a full week later) We must also assume that Russia’s alleged “unprovoked aggression” was not unprovoked at all but was the appropriate humanitarian response to the deliberate killing of civilians. In order to argue that the Russian invasion was ‘not provoked’, we would have to say that firing over 4,000 artillery shells into towns and neighborhoods where women and children live, is not a provocation? Who will defend that point of view?

No one, because it’s absurd. The killing of civilians in the Donbas was a clear provocation, a provocation that was aimed at goading Russia into a war. And –as we said earlier– the OSCE had monitors on the ground who provided full documentation of the shelling as it took place, which is as close to ironclad, eyewitness testimony as you’re going to get.

This, of course, is a major break with the “official narrative” which identifies Russia as the perpetrator of hostilities. But, as we’ve shown, that simply isn’t the case. The official narrative is wrong. Even so, it might not surprise you to know that most of the mainstream media completely omitted any coverage of the OSCE’s fact-finding activities in east Ukraine. The one exception to was Reuters that published a deliberately opaque account published on February 18 titled “Russia voices alarm over sharp increase of Donbass shelling”.

it goes on for pages, well worth the read.

from the Ron Paul Institude ( I accept he can be out there on some topic's but this information is not hard to retrieve from elsewhere).

(as always i no longer directly respond to fender, noting he does not act in good faith, but this can be considered a response to Prox1m1ty)


Good post :)
There an independant french woman reporter who filmed that area during the bombardments. I should find back her name.
Censored by french medias ofc.
Not like it will change the beta's opinions anyways, they already made their mind as soon as TV told them what it was.

E/ Anne-Laure Bonnel



This post was edited by Melatonina on Feb 9 2023 07:19am
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Feb 9 2023 07:30am
mela i recommend you remove that video, just trying to keep you safe.
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Quote (SylvesterStallone @ 9 Feb 2023 06:46)
U rly are special kind of dum dum
Americans with biden said russia didnt do it. Link below.
Russia had no motive to do it. This is known in nato long time ago.
Only ones having motive to do it was USA, and biden confirmed that America WILL blow nord stream before they did it
https://youtube.com/shorts/FVbEoZXhCrM?feature=share


Sounds like the best you can do is to insult people.

Absolutely he said that the pipeline would be shut down the valves because he had german support. It was precisely the right moment for Russia to explode it because contractually, Gazprom no longer has to pay Germany damages for breaches of deliveries of contracted gas (and paid), since there is a case of "force majeure".

The sabotage is also very divisive and Russia is the lonely one who gets advantage from it.

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Feb 9 2023 07:32am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 9 2023 01:30pm)
Sounds like the best you can do is to insult people.

Absolutely he said that the pipeline would be shut down the valves because he had german support. It was precisely the right moment for Russia to explode it because contractually, Gazprom no longer has to pay Germany damages for breaches of deliveries of contracted gas (and paid), since there is a case of "force majeure".

The sabotage is also very divisive and Russia is the lonely one who gets advantage from it.


this is not logical btw. its safer simply to find a better argument, of which there are many, if you want to paint russia in a poor light. i mean, russia does enough bad things its not hard to find em.
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Feb 9 2023 07:36am
Quote (Melatonina @ 9 Feb 2023 13:13)
E/ Anne-Laure Bonnel


This russian puppet has been debunked:

https://www.stopfake.org/en/french-journalist-s-fake-ukrainian-troops-bombing-donbas/

.

Quote (ferdia @ 9 Feb 2023 13:32)
this is not logical btw. its safer simply to find a better argument, of which there are many, if you want to paint russia in a poor light. i mean, russia does enough bad things its not hard to find em.


My logic hurts your feelings ?

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Feb 9 2023 07:39am
Quote (ferdia @ Feb 9 2023 02:30pm)
mela i recommend you remove that video, just trying to keep you safe.


Propaganda has little if not zero effects on me :)



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Lmao nothing has been debunked from these dork sites.

It basically says we are right and they are wrong but they can't put facts on their words :D Unconvenient for them the evidence is on video.

Also I'd trust anyday the people (civilian victims) living there rather than any ukrainian military leader (heil).

Just to finish you off saucisson6000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StopFake

"StopFake website is a project of Ukrainian media NGO Media Reforms Center."

Hypocrisy/10

Let me know when you learned "independant sources"

This post was edited by Melatonina on Feb 9 2023 07:50am
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Feb 9 2023 07:51am
Quote (Melatonina @ 9 Feb 2023 13:39)
Propaganda has little if not zero effects on me :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyUMiW8k5F8
Lmao nothing has been debunked from these dork sites.
It basically says we are right and they are wrong but they can't put facts on their words :D Unconvenient for them the evidence is on video.
Hypocrisy/10


Anne Laure Bonnell pushing for Russian propaganda...

https://www.stopfake.org/en/french-journalist-s-fake-ukrainian-troops-bombing-donbas/

=> https://www.debunkersdehoax.org/lhonneur-du-journalisme-independant-au-service-du-regime-poutinien-a-l-bonnel-a-lonu/
Same.

=> Official AFP:
"Beware of these misleading publications on the death toll in the Donbass since 2014"
https://factuel.afp.com/doc.afp.com.324G3GM


The correspondent of Le Monde in Russia, Benoît Vitkine explained that she has only been towards the pro-Russian separatists:
She was carried around in the separatist territories by… officials from these same territories. It is them that we heard, in the film, asking questions to the witnesses, not the journalist ”.

Says long about this "jounalist" ....

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 9 2023 02:51pm)
Anne Laure Bonnell pushing for Russian propaganda...

https://www.stopfake.org/en/french-journalist-s-fake-ukrainian-troops-bombing-donbas/

The correspondent of Le Monde in Russia, Benoît Vitkine explained that she has only been towards the pro-Russian separatists:
“She was carried around in the separatist territories by… officials from these same territories. It is them that we heard, in the film, asking questions to the witnesses, not the journalist ”.

Says long about this "jounalist" ....


Nothing from this fake site has any value. The pictures and video is talking for itself anyways so you won't fool anyone piggy6000

Surprise all the independant reporters who actually went there, unlike va-t'-en guerre like Bernard-Henry Levy or yourself, have all a different opinion on this war :)

Here is another one
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 9 2023 01:36pm)
This russian puppet has been debunked:

https://www.stopfake.org/en/french-journalist-s-fake-ukrainian-troops-bombing-donbas/

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My logic hurts your feelings ?



your argument is not logical.
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Feb 9 2023 08:05am
Quote (Melatonina @ 9 Feb 2023 13:57)
Nothing from this fake site has any value. The pictures and video is talking for itself anyways so you won't fool anyone piggy6000
Surprise all the independant reporters who actually went there, unlike va-t'-en guerre like Bernard-Henry Levy or yourself, have all a different opinion on this war :)
Here is another one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaNylE5RuBA


Ah I understand now, the anti-vax epidemiologist expert is not a special-operation journalist expert ... Using all the worse possible possible sources..
Aka fart-right & related conspiracies :lol:
https://ukdaily.news/omerta-a-new-media-popular-with-the-far-right-202680.html

Quote (ferdia @ 9 Feb 2023 13:57)
your argument is not logical.


Because you don't understand it doesn't means it's not logical.
Actually it is extremely logical and Russia remains the #1 suspect.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Feb 9 2023 08:06am
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