After the war crimes and all, so close to EU... It's almost impossible to give up on assistance to Ukraine.
It's like asking democracies to give up in front of authoritarian regimes. Russia pushed it too much already.



Putin would isolation himself much more if he's ordering a nuclear strike. Firstly in his own country.
China & others Brics, along with cuck-hungary & cuck-croatia, and almost any other country having mitigated postures toward Russian regime would take verrry large distance.

Finally: Putin is still supported by many western cucks (20% of the population ?) who don't realize the luck they have to open it freely here... They could change their minds if he's ordering the attack.
And I'm not including the "more likely undecided"...

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Feb 8 2023 07:27pm

I haven't, tbh. I'm busy working 12 hour days most days, and see a lot less news and such than I used to.

you forgot to quote the very next sentence from the article:



i actually read his blog: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

he doesn't provide ANY concrete evidence, he literally just tells a story around what is admittedly a good motive (at a cursory glance at least) for the US to blow up the pipeline. the anonymous source he refers to is allegedly someone "with knowledge" of "the planning". that's what the whole story is built upon. do you find that convincing and credible? to me it looks like attention seeking, but i could be wrong of course.

to be perfectly clear, this is not me saying it is impossible it happened that way - as a matter of fact, i still consider the US to be the 2nd most likely culprit, right behind russia. it's just that anyone who claims to know for a fact what happened, without presenting any kind of evidence or credible sources, simply shouldn't be taken seriously.

my main problem with this version is not that i suddenly consider the US a fundamentally moral actor that simply wouldn't betray, deceive, or sabotage its long standing allies (lol), of course not - but i would consider the risk (if caught it's basically an act of war, certainly a huge diplomatic incident that would strain relations to the max, and inevitably result in unprecedented consequences between two of the largest economic partners of the world) too high, and the reward too low: germany had already stopped importing gas from russia, and was looking for alternatives - and it was obvious that relations with russia wouldn't normalise any time soon, meaning the already highly controversial project was basically dead anyway.
to be fair, there are arguments that speak against russia as a culprit as well, but their risk was significantly lower, as relations were already frosty due to their invasion of ukraine.

This post was edited by fender on Feb 8 2023 08:10pm

He is one of the few US politicians(edit: former, though his son seems like a carbon copy lol)who accurately describe the situation IMO. Worth checking out if you get some free time, I'll look through some videos and try to find one that expresses his view on the whole situation, he has been talking about US involvement in Ukraine for years now so it's not as easy as just searching up "Ron Paul Ukraine" unfortunately, if I find some good ones I'll post in thread and tag you.

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Feb 8 2023 08:41pm

Videos are hard for me. I appear to be goofing off at work if I watch them, so I prefer to read the information if you think something summarizes them well.

Here's an article about Ukraine/Russia from Ron Paul's website, it is not written by him but from what I've seen it lines up with his views on the conflict. I haven't seen much writing about it from Ron Paul himself but he has many episodes of his podcast dedicated to talking about it. Not sure why the link isn't working but should just be able to copy/paste.


http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2023/february/08/setting-the-record-straight-stuff-you-should-know-about-ukraine/

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Feb 8 2023 09:19pm

NordSteam: Contractually, Gazprom no longer has to pay Germany damages for breaches of deliveries of contracted gas (and paid), since there is a case of "force majeure".
The sabotage is also very divisive and Russia is the lonely one who gets advantage from it.

https://youtube.com/shorts/FO--XPTjDLE?feature=share

Her name is Janine Small if you want to search for whole video, and this is happening in Eu Parliament.
Goodluck though if you wanna google anything as it stated disappearing from google after this video came out. Perhaps duckduckgo would be a better choice.
Her wiki page got deleted completely

This post was edited by SylvesterStallone on Feb 9 2023 12:44am

U rly are special kind of dum dum
Americans with biden said russia didnt do it. Link below.
Russia had no motive to do it. This is known in nato long time ago.
Only ones having motive to do it was USA, and biden confirmed that America WILL blow nord stream before they did it
https://youtube.com/shorts/FVbEoZXhCrM?feature=share

This post was edited by SylvesterStallone on Feb 9 2023 12:48am

Americans were also good in 1600. Then came the r*tards



Lmao. Mental gymnastic incoming

This post was edited by Melatonina on Feb 9 2023 01:55am