Quote (fender @ Mar 19 2022 09:53am)

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 19 2022 08:10am)

A defensive mission by neighbors to help a country that's being invaded and bombed into the ground is not "encroachment". -_-

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 19 Mar 2022 07:17)

Not under the NATO umbrella.


If Poland unilaterally decides to send its own troops to Kyiv to help defend the city, without moving further north, how exactly would this justify a Russian nuclear strike on Poland?



What the fuck, lol?! Why are you talking about a counterinvasion? Russia has NOT taken Ukraine yet, so how exactly would it constitute a (counter)invasion if Poland sends troops onto the territory that is controlled by, and legitimately belongs to, the Ukrainian government?

Quote (Lebanon961 @ 19 Mar 2022 11:16)

People aren't dumb. A force consisting of NATO nation armies proposed at a NATO summit is NATO encroachment.
It is ridiculous you call Russian fears propaganda lies while trying to twist and sugarcoat this shit :bonk:

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 18 2022 08:17pm)

If it comes to a shooting war between NATO forces and Russia, it won't be constrained by proportionality nor law. Nothing could spiral out of control faster. Russia reacts by attacking Poland, NATO gets dragged into the war, the nukes fly. This entire scenario exists in the first place because Biden chose not to hold Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression. Now we're talking about NATO with a counterinvasion to take it back and risk nuclear annihilation from a conflict that inevitably escalates to full blown war? Nonsense

Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 19 2022 02:35am)

These discussions are nonsensical. Poland isn't going anywhere by itself. They keep floating these escalatory movies (sending MIG's now this peace keeping force) because they are afraid that they will lose the buffer state of Ukraine and if things ever do escalate further, they are next up. So right now they're trying their hardest to get all of these other NATO members to commit as much as possible whether by sending more troops to eastern Europe, more heavy arms, etc. In reality I don't see any sort of intervention happening or peace keeping force. Most of Europe and most NATO members really don't want things to escalate to that point. A lot of these countries like Spain, Greece, Italy literally have nothing to gain and a lot to lose by such moves.

I really think we're entering a phase when life will be objectively worse for tens if not hundreds of millions of people. I don't think the world has fully digested the ramifications of Russia's commodities going offline (at least to the western world). Renewables aren't ready and other oil/gas suppliers like gulf states already made it clear they can't fill in the slack nor are they really rushing to do so even if they could. The fact that Ukraine and Russia accounts for so much of the world wheat & fertilizer supply is also deeply problematic for the rest of the world. Don't forget what happened in the ME when there was food shortage during the arab spring. This is a bigger catalyst than that. Instead of people treating this like some sort of Risk board game people need to push for immediate resolution which means not escalating but giving concessions and truly trying to get this to end.

Quote (Frosch01 @ Mar 19 2022 05:20am)

mhhh poland becomes an active war party . mhhh . damm dude ur just plain stupid. good example of a meanmugger
dude a stone is 2times ahead of u

Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 19 2022 03:35am)

These discussions are nonsensical. Poland isn't going anywhere by itself. They keep floating these escalatory movies (sending MIG's now this peace keeping force) because they are afraid that they will lose the buffer state of Ukraine and if things ever do escalate further, they are next up. So right now they're trying their hardest to get all of these other NATO members to commit as much as possible whether by sending more troops to eastern Europe, more heavy arms, etc. In reality I don't see any sort of intervention happening or peace keeping force. Most of Europe and most NATO members really don't want things to escalate to that point. A lot of these countries like Spain, Greece, Italy literally have nothing to gain and a lot to lose by such moves.

I really think we're entering a phase when life will be objectively worse for tens if not hundreds of millions of people. I don't think the world has fully digested the ramifications of Russia's commodities going offline (at least to the western world). Renewables aren't ready and other oil/gas suppliers like gulf states already made it clear they can't fill in the slack nor are they really rushing to do so even if they could. The fact that Ukraine and Russia accounts for so much of the world wheat & fertilizer supply is also deeply problematic for the rest of the world. Don't forget what happened in the ME when there was food shortage during the arab spring. This is a bigger catalyst than that. Instead of people treating this like some sort of Risk board game people need to push for immediate resolution which means not escalating but giving concessions and truly trying to get this to end.