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Quote (Pisior @ 7 Feb 2023 20:25)
~ 1500 russian tank are broke, it means , ~ 10k left. cool 178 tank against 10k ...


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no?

The researchers have so far documented 1,646 tanks either destroyed or captured by Ukrainian forces
https://mwi.usma.edu/leopards-into-the-fray-how-will-german-tanks-affect-the-battlefield-balance-in-ukraine/

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_chars_de_combat_principaux_par_pays

others source talk about 11k +, doesnt change somthings... europ give their tank , what we will do after?

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You wrote Russia has 10k working tanks left. You just humiliated yourself, again.
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You wrote Russia has 10k working tanks left. You just humiliated yourself, again.


ohhhh so "humiliated" :rofl: feeling bad now .... seriously back to school if you got a child brain.

the most humiliadted here its you , seems happy that ukraine have 180 new tank , but dont search how many russian got.. 10k or 11k is always superior to 180 tank xD back to sleep and com back when you got serious info .

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ohhhh so "humiliated" :rofl: feeling bad now .... seriously back to school if you got a child brain.

the most humiliadted here its you , seems happy that ukraine have 180 new tank , but dont search how many russian got.. 10k or 11k is always superior to 180 tank xD back to sleep and com back when you got serious info .


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https://www.kyivpost.com/post/11803#:~:text=Military%20analysts%20and%20armchair%20generals,8%2C000%20and%2010%2C000%20in%20storage.
so far from 180 leopar..

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Feb 7 2023 06:23pm
France may massively increase its assistance to Ukraine



https://www.senat.fr/leg/tas22-052.html
translation in english
https://www-senat-fr.translate.goog/leg/tas22-052.html?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp

==> Resolution from french Senate , voted by almost all senators, backing by alot the support to Ukraine. It's not long and interesting to read because it contains all the accusations against Russia.

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Invites the Government, in conjunction with its European partners, to continue and strengthen in particular arms deliveries to Ukraine, in the areas identified as most necessary by the Ukrainian authorities, if necessary by increasing the amount of credits allocated the European Peace Facility;
Emphasizes the importance of rapidly implementing all the commitments made, particularly in terms of military and humanitarian assistance;
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Certainly not 8 or 10k, maybe ~2k (this includes very old ones).

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Commitment of obsolete T-62 tanks – and absence of serious numbers of more modern ones - to battle in Ukraine is strong evidence that of the 10,000 tanks in reserve the Kremlin supposedly had in reserve, many if not most are too dilapidated to be useful for anything except as a source of scrap metal, a May 27 British military intelligence situation estimate said.
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Thanks for validating the source btw.
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i really doubt that 178 leopard ONE (!) tanks can achieve anything on a modern battlefield. they're ancient 2nd generation tanks, and probably rather useless against any 3rd generation tanks that russia can field. a convenient way to get rid of that scrap metal though...
the 14 leopard 2A6 we're sending are relatively up to date, but it really depends on what kind of forces ukraine will have when they arrive. a dozen MBTs alone obviously won't win you a war.

not surprised the russian invaders are pushing now, before the slow moving western arms arrive.
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i really doubt that 178 leopard ONE (!) tanks can achieve anything on a modern battlefield. they're ancient 2nd generation tanks, and probably rather useless against any 3rd generation tanks that russia can field. a convenient way to get rid of that scrap metal though...
the 14 leopard 2A6 we're sending are relatively up to date, but it really depends on what kind of forces ukraine will have when they arrive. a dozen MBTs alone obviously won't win you a war.

not surprised the russian invaders are pushing now, before the slow moving western arms arrive.


Imho not a big difference when it's about to deal with trenches
https://armedforces.eu/compare/tanks_Leopard_1_vs_Leopard_2

For the few I know there is a big gap with night vision capability, thus maybe the L1 will be modernized a bit.. No idea.
After that I guess the one who also have the best anti-tank trunk, launchers & related modern auto guided ammunitions has a strong advantage.
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Imho not a big difference when it's aboutto deal with trenches
https://armedforces.eu/compare/tanks_Leopard_1_vs_Leopard_2

For the few I know there is a big gap with night vision capability, thus maybe the L1 will be modernized a bit.. No idea.
After that I guess the one who also have the best anti-tank trunk, launchers & related modern auto guided ammunitions has a strong advantage.


not a fan of those stats comparisons tbh. there is a reason (beyond the greed of the arms manufacturers and war profiteers) countries constantly upgrade their equipment, which is more than a couple of tons of steel, a few kph, and calibre added on a stats card. so many "soft" factors that go into the battlefield efficiency of a tank. we speak about different "generations" for a reason. the leopard 1 is ancient, that's just a fact - and i highly doubt it can do much on a modern battlefield.

just look at how iraqi 2nd generation MBTs (t-62s, t-72s, type 69s... basically the eastern counter-parts to the leo 1) were basically just target practice for america's 3rd generation tanks. and that was back in the early 90's, more than 30 years ago...
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