So far, the Fallout series timeline has been pretty accurate as far as world events. Worldwide plague leads to social unrest and a cold war that accidentally spirals out of control.

They all base on the same oldest scenario which always worked, some religions adopted those concepts. The order is different: plague -> war -> famine - > death. Famine and death in Africa is already programmed due to the food export from Russia and Ukraine together. How bad the situation could get? WW3 and world wide famine..

If Poland enters Ukraine under whatever reason and starts a conflict with Russian forces it'll be an attack from a Nato member. In this case, article 5 doesn't work, there's no self defense. Russia could nuke a city in Poland and the so called friends would say, too bad, we didn't back you.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Mar 18 2022 07:58pm

https://www.reuters.com/world/russian-state-tv-cuts-away-putin-during-speech-packed-stadium-2022-03-18/

His fingers are swollen, he takes cortisone or what?




CyberPunk 2077 isn't that bad either

These discussions are nonsensical. Poland isn't going anywhere by itself. They keep floating these escalatory movies (sending MIG's now this peace keeping force) because they are afraid that they will lose the buffer state of Ukraine and if things ever do escalate further, they are next up. So right now they're trying their hardest to get all of these other NATO members to commit as much as possible whether by sending more troops to eastern Europe, more heavy arms, etc. In reality I don't see any sort of intervention happening or peace keeping force. Most of Europe and most NATO members really don't want things to escalate to that point. A lot of these countries like Spain, Greece, Italy literally have nothing to gain and a lot to lose by such moves.

I really think we're entering a phase when life will be objectively worse for tens if not hundreds of millions of people. I don't think the world has fully digested the ramifications of Russia's commodities going offline (at least to the western world). Renewables aren't ready and other oil/gas suppliers like gulf states already made it clear they can't fill in the slack nor are they really rushing to do so even if they could. The fact that Ukraine and Russia accounts for so much of the world wheat & fertilizer supply is also deeply problematic for the rest of the world. Don't forget what happened in the ME when there was food shortage during the arab spring. This is a bigger catalyst than that. Instead of people treating this like some sort of Risk board game people need to push for immediate resolution which means not escalating but giving concessions and truly trying to get this to end.


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It's not realistic, but a peace keeping force is absolutely necessary. Russia needs to demilitarize within 500 miles of European countries and we should have China guarantee Russia's defense. The fastest way for this war to end is for Russia to quit. They aren't going to win this war with current troop levels and the should probably have a surge if they want to win. 500,000 troops should do the trick but I really don't think that will be popular at home.

Nonsense all we need is a brief overwhelming conventional bombing campaign and the shock and awe of our force will immediately end all resistance from the russians and neutralize their invasion training camps. Then we'll declare mission accomplished, roust a few out of their caves with bunker busters and be home in time for sunday mass, god bless america.

A defensive mission by neighbors to help a country that's being invaded and bombed into the ground is not "encroachment".

It must be stressed again and again that none of this would have happened without Russia's decision to attack Ukraine and that there was no imminent danger of Ukraine joining NATO. Due to the conflicts in the separatist regions in eastern Ukraine, a NATO membership was never realistic, no matter what a big game the clown Zelensky was talking. There was NO legitimate reason for Russia to invade Ukraine in the first place and they have no reason to cry foul when Ukraine's friends or allies come to defend Ukraine's territory. Like I said before: the forces of this "coalition of the willing" would of course have to refrain from moving on the Russian border under all circumstances, let alone actually invading Russia.



Simply put, when a schoolyard bully tries to beat up a smaller dude, he has no justification for complaining when the brothers or friends of his victim interfere.

Not under the NATO umbrella.


If Poland unilaterally decides to send its own troops to Kyiv to help defend the city, without moving further north, how exactly would this justify a Russian nuclear strike on Poland?



What the fuck, lol?! Why are you talking about a counterinvasion? Russia has NOT taken Ukraine yet, so how exactly would it constitute a (counter)invasion if Poland sends troops onto the territory that is controlled by, and legitimately belongs to, the Ukrainian government?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 19 2022 12:18am

Very true it will take a few months. Sanctions on oil and gas are not really sustainable, and they only help China in the end.

Goom is pretty deliberate in his posts, and I think one can give the benefit of the doubt here and assume that means what NATO would call a liberation of occupied territory in Ukraine, not a conquest of territory in Russia, the latter of which even the pants shitter in the white house knows would be a catastrophic mistake.