Ukraine already had 3 "successes": Kiyv, North East, and Kherson.
If Russia was such a powerful crushing machine, Free World and Nato could have forced Ukraine to give up by a way or another.
Free World and Nato are very certainly much more "intelligent" and informed than you or me: if they are injecting these billions it is very probably not to only please the miltiary industry.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Feb 5 2023 02:14pm

a quote:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe."

ultimately its not safe to attribute intelligence to alot of these people (either side).

the recent debate which we referenced previously shows how people can be very stupid about serious things.
"we are not worried if russia uses nukes because once they use nukes china wont be friends with them anymore"
i mean hello? thats stupid at the political level.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 5 2023 02:22pm

You place a lot of faith in the architects of Iraq, Syria, and Libya. These are the same men (and women!) promising us that Afghanistan's government was solid and secure right up until the Taliban burst through the gates of Kabul. To me, it's a case of "Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?"

The whole world was waiting for this war to happen. I do not support this special military operation as President Putin say. I do believe there is an end of this soon. God help these poor and frustrated people out there

Putin, Hitler, Staline, we see how it goes when it's only 1 individual who decides.



doing comparisons with these countries destroyed the few credibility you had left.

You are making an argument to authority. The authorities must know what they're doing, because they're authorities, and therefore more informed than hoi polloi like you or me. It's a circular argument. Those very same authorities are responsible for a number of foreign policy catastrophes over the past two decades. Ergo, it's very possible that they don't know what they're doing, and are merely blundering into yet another mistake.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Feb 5 2023 05:02pm

pretty much that.

in a pub ppl talk about football, and managers decisions, but they typically dont talk politics. a footmall manager, the best ones, are highly skilled at what they do, yet still their roles are sometimes up to fate. why then not take that leap and include politicians as well. thinking they are smarter better, more intelligent is a mistake. they cant predict the future, or their predictions can be wrong, or events might overtake them. for sure there are some highly intelligent people on the planet. but most of them are not politicians.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 5 2023 05:15pm

Quick recap of the tanks debacle

>MSM and Euros: Germany must provide Ukraine with Leopards and allow other countries that have them to be shipped to Ukraine.

>After months, Germany reluctantly approves 14 Leopard 2s with potentially a total of 88 total (1488... you can't make this shit up)

> Few weeks later Portugal, Spain, Greece & others: We can only provide like 2 tanks, rest are a heap of non-functioning trash

>Germany: Wtf...? So we basically have to provide and pay for everything?

>Rest of NATO: "Yes"

Putin, Hitler, Staline are taking or took decisions very much alone. Here: you and ferdia are telling me that group of people can do huge mistakes.
So im just responding that single or very small groups of individuals, who are also isolated (it's well know that many dictators are or were as isolated because feared) can do much bigger mistakes FOR SURE.

Firthermore regarding Ukraine agression (which definitely seems to be a mistake) some decisions made by EU+US were not only done by a group of leaders but also by -groups of groups of elected individuals-: Typically assistances voted by EU, representing alot of different countries.
All these people are also taking advices from best experts in the world. If one voice had clear proof of the unnecessity it would certainly has emerged (instead of the thrown through the window)

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Feb 5 2023 06:04pm