Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 18 Mar 2022 14:37)

So Russia is doing a speciale operation to remove nazis and their jew president from Ukraine.
Western countries are now about to send "peacekeeping" troops ... :mellow:

Quote (IchBinDaddy @ 18 Mar 2022 19:51)

I doubt it will pass this first time. I think Russia is either:
A) bomb too close or actually hit over the border and spur another vote and it passes
B) threaten nuclear action and mobilize nuclear assets

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 18 Mar 2022 14:58)

Russia using the bomb because facing a fight in a country it is actually invading ? Gross, but after that ? Putin would risk to be kicked out (before or after) and "Sanctions" would reach a level of impossibru.

Would use bomb if peacekeeping troops decide to enter russian borders after that, eventually. Sure thing IMO is Russia will change its governement at some point. Problem is if it takes too long Ukraine will be completely destroyed.

Quote (IchBinDaddy @ 18 Mar 2022 20:51)

I doubt it will pass this first time. I think Russia will either:
A - bomb too close or actually hit over the border and spur another vote and it passes
B - threaten nuclear action and mobilize nuclear assets

Quote (IchBinDaddy @ 18 Mar 2022 20:04)

No idea what your first paragraph is saying but to reiterate I said mobilize, not use.

Quote (IchBinDaddy @ Mar 18 2022 02:54pm)

Poland will present a proposal to organize a peacekeeping mission in Ukraine at the forthcoming NATO summit and European Council meeting, the government has announced. The idea was put forward by Jarosław Kaczyński, the head of the ruling party, during the visit to Kyiv of the Polish, Czech and Slovenian prime ministers.

Speaking at a news conference in Warsaw, Morawiecki told reporters that “at the next NATO summit, the proposal for a peace mission in Ukraine will be formally submitted.”

Morawiecki was asked whether he thinks there was consensus for such a mission in Ukraine among NATO members.

“Poland is very active in this forum, both in NATO and in the EU and we are the ones who urge them to take the following steps,” he said.

“When the bombs are falling closer and closer to the Polish border, we will, of course, use this as an argument, both in the context of the most argument presented by [Ukrainian] President Volodymyr Zelensky, as well as the arguments formulated by us during our mission in Kyiv," he added.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 18 2022 10:17pm)

The problem is that a surge of NATO troops in Ukraine would exacerbate Russian fears about being encircled by the alliance and give them the opening to retroactively portray their propaganda lies as justified.
It would come with substantial risks, but on the other hand, it could prevent Ukraine from falling, end this war relatively quickly and deal a devastating blow to Putin's reputation.

All in all, I think such a mission would be an interesting option as long as it isn't carried out under the NATO umbrella and basically consists of a "coalition of the willing". And of course it must be made crystal clear that the troops from this peacekeeping mission are not allowed to go further north than Kyiv, so that "misunderstandings" are avoided.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 18 Mar 2022 15:33)

Vladimir Putin himself signed in 2020 the first official Russian document that lists four cases in which Moscow/Consitution allows him to use his nuclear arsenal.
These are all defensive and do not cover a use of nuclear weapons to support a war of invasion or as a retaliation against international sanctions.

/r He ordered tactical level some weeks ago, as defensive purpose.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 18 Mar 2022 15:41)

I don't understand what this actually means. Are the peace keepers going to be the same useless peace keepers that we've seen in places like Africa from the UN? Like are they there to more so monitor or actually engage?