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Feb 3 2023 01:01pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 3 2023 06:51pm)
What's Russian for insurgency?


I presume from this that you are not inferring i am russian but rather that i sympathise with russia or that i want to see ukraine defeated. you are reading my posts and deriving your own impression from them. what I am outlining is my understanding of the causes of the conflict and, what russia probably aims to do next. whether they are successful or not or whether my conjecture is right or not, remains to be seen, im not infallible but i am happy to state my position even if proven wrong on a later date. If at times I give a view, one that you disagree with, this should be challenged using logic.

the ukrainian goal is to liberate eastern ukraine and crimea. do you honestly believe from a logical stand point that they can achieve this, and what exactly would it entail? i dont mind answering this for you, it is very easy for me to champion either side of a debate.

the russian perspective is under represented, because, as hamster pointed out, the main media here is english. if we all championed the western narrative the topic would have died a year ago. there is too little reflection on the russian aims and goals in the media at large, and i personally see that as a monumental mistake of western media. a very dangerous mistake.

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I presume from this that you are not inferring i am russian but rather that i sympathise with russia or that i want to see ukraine defeated. you are reading my posts and deriving your own impression from them. what I am outlining is my understanding of the causes of the conflict and, what russia probably aims to do next. whether they are successful or not or whether my conjecture is right or not, remains to be seen, im not infallible but i am happy to state my position even if proven wrong on a later date. If at times I give a view, one that you disagree with, this should be challenged using logic.

the ukrainian goal is to liberate eastern ukraine and crimea. do you honestly believe from a logical stand point that they can achieve this, and what exactly would it entail? i dont mind answering this for you, it is very easy for me to champion either side of a debate.

the russian perspective is under represented, because, as hamster pointed out, the main media here is english. if we all championed the western narrative the topic would have died a year ago. there is too little reflection on the russian aims and goals in the media at large, and i personally see that as a monumental mistake of western media. a very dangerous mistake.


The brilliant thing about Western education 20 , 30 , 50 years back is that you can have a civil, in dept, at times controversial but factual and well informed discussion and debate. Institutions in the United States Ivy Leagues etc and Britain, OxBridge, Imperial , LSE etc etc .
People will take both sides and review facts , argue and debate and come into a well informed conclusion even if most arguments are under the English medium.

But not anymore. -_-
Ideologue and unchecked emotions " woke " have taken over.
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The brilliant thing about Western education 20 , 30 , 50 years back is that you can have a civil, in dept, at times controversial but factual and well informed discussion and debate. Institutions in the United States Ivy Leagues etc and Britain, OxBridge, Imperial , LSE etc etc .
People will take both sides and review facts , argue and debate and come into a well informed conclusion even if most arguments are under the English medium.

But not anymore. -_-
Ideologue and unchecked emotions " woke " have taken over.


Completely

the same that are still wearing a mask outside
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Quote (Melatonina @ 4 Feb 2023 03:13)
Completely

the same that are still wearing a mask outside


I am fine with people wearing mask, but don't force your mask wearing habit on people who are not comfortable with it.

But to be honest, if you go out in some places in China and at times in some places like India, you better wear a mask. :lol:

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Quote (ferdia @ Feb 3 2023 07:01pm)
I presume from this that you are not inferring i am russian but rather that i sympathise with russia or that i want to see ukraine defeated. you are reading my posts and deriving your own impression from them. what I am outlining is my understanding of the causes of the conflict and, what russia probably aims to do next. whether they are successful or not or whether my conjecture is right or not, remains to be seen, im not infallible but i am happy to state my position even if proven wrong on a later date. If at times I give a view, one that you disagree with, this should be challenged using logic.

the ukrainian goal is to liberate eastern ukraine and crimea. do you honestly believe from a logical stand point that they can achieve this, and what exactly would it entail? i dont mind answering this for you, it is very easy for me to champion either side of a debate.

the russian perspective is under represented, because, as hamster pointed out, the main media here is english. if we all championed the western narrative the topic would have died a year ago. there is too little reflection on the russian aims and goals in the media at large, and i personally see that as a monumental mistake of western media. a very dangerous mistake.


Your way off the mark in your presumption.

Perhaps I could have been more direct.
I was referring to your prediction if Putin seeking to partition Ukraine.
If that is a suitable outcome for Russia they ought to be prepared for a ruthless insurgency in Ukraine.

500k fresh conscripts won't be remotely enough to hold those regions in anything close to resembling a peaceful reality.

I will reiterate that your position on appeasement is an uninformed one in my opinion.



Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Feb 3 2023 06:59pm)
You would think Proximity would have learned a little humility after being proven wrong and running away so many times in this thread lol


That's for your valuable input as ever.
It's slightly unsettling how much energy you expend thinking about me personally, but such is life.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 3 2023 07:12pm)
The brilliant thing about Western education 20 , 30 , 50 years back is that you can have a civil, in dept, at times controversial but factual and well informed discussion and debate. Institutions in the United States Ivy Leagues etc and Britain, OxBridge, Imperial , LSE etc etc .
People will take both sides and review facts , argue and debate and come into a well informed conclusion even if most arguments are under the English medium.

But not anymore. -_-
Ideologue and unchecked emotions " woke " have taken over.


Bit of a strange generalization, have come to expect those from your posts by now.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 3 2023 03:47pm)
That's for your valuable input as ever.
It's slightly unsettling how much energy you expend thinking about me personally, but such is life.


Lol how much energy do you think it takes to make fun of you?

Can't be nearly as much as it takes to dodge whenever a source that discredits your gut feelings is presented to you.
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Feb 3 2023 02:28pm
*shrugs*
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Gonna go on a tangent.

What's up with the Chinese balloon being such a huge story? Like I'm trying to understand how is this thing any different than a satellite or the UAV's we have across dozens of nations that we never asked for permission. Is it because of the altitude it's flying at?

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Washington, DC – Secretary of State Antony Blinken has postponed a visit to China, the United States government has confirmed, calling the presence of an alleged Chinese spy balloon in American airspace an “unacceptable” violation of its sovereignty.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/3/blinken-postpones-visit-to-china-because-of-balloon-incident

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Quote (ofthevoid @ 4 Feb 2023 04:33)
Gonna go on a tangent.

What's up with the Chinese balloon being such a huge story? Like I'm trying to understand how is this thing any different than a satellite or the UAV's we have across dozens of nations that we never asked for permission. Is it because of the altitude it's flying at?



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/3/blinken-postpones-visit-to-china-because-of-balloon-incident


I dunno, never knew the Chinese Ballon can be that advance to fly across the pacific without the US satellites noticing it.
I heard the size of it is the size of 3 school bus and it is not stealth. :rofl:
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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Feb 3 2023 08:03pm)
Lol how much energy do you think it takes to make fun of you?

Can't be nearly as much as it takes to dodge whenever a source that discredits your gut feelings is presented to you.


I have no idea because I don't think about you at all.

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