Quote (ferdia @ 4 Feb 2023 01:52)

Russia has used technology to undermine elections throughout the world. They do NOT have a monopoly on this.

sorry i had to say it:

Russian interference in the 2016 Brexit referendum is a debated subject and remains unproven, though multiple sources argue evidence exists demonstrating that the Russian government attempted to influence British public opinion in favor of leaving the European Union.

being flippant, Russia was merely helping the political establishment in england get what it wanted - a divorce from europe. *rolls eyes* i wonder if they sent Russia a "thank you" card..

and

Russian interference in the US elections - Mueller concluded that Russian interference was "sweeping and systematic" and "violated U.S. criminal law", and he indicted twenty-six Russian citizens and three Russian organizations. The investigation also led to indictments and convictions of Trump campaign officials and associated Americans, on unrelated charges. I wonder if they also sent a "thank you" card...

I mean, nobody that got elected is going to ask for another election...yet trump still had the audacity to talk about voter fraud lol.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 3 2023 06:03pm)

Do you think other sovereign government should jail American citizens or agents from NED for example if they influence their local politics ?

Quote (ferdia @ 4 Feb 2023 02:03)

yes.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 3 2023 06:06pm)

But it will be difficult , because you might be sanctioned economically or worst case scenario get a military intervention for democratic and human right reasons .
Part of the reason why the entire globe apart from a few actors for the past 40 years toed the line until recently.

Quote (ferdia @ 3 Feb 2023 18:58)

i think you missed my point - my point is other countries will also undermine elections in other countries, in one way or another (example - US:Ukraine).

Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 3 2023 06:09pm)

No, your initial point was that Russia only wanted to invade Half of Ukraine, then later you finally corrected yourself "okay they want all of it".
After that i argued about Russian negative influence in EU but you are once again moving the goal to Ukraine and claim US did interference too... Which is a loosy asymetric comparisons, at least.

No, thank you.

Quote (ferdia @ 3 Feb 2023 19:10)

at no point did i say that russia wanted all of ukraine, can you link where i said that, as if i said that, i misspoke.

Quote (ferdia @ 3 Feb 2023 19:10)

it is a fact that the US flipped ukraine (accepting most of its people did so willingly).

Quote (ferdia @ 4 Feb 2023 02:06)

yea you know i edit my posts alot xD have a look what i said and then agree / disagree or comment :)

here this is the washington post, i should not be sanctioned for posting from that source i hope :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/13/the-long-history-of-the-u-s-interfering-with-elections-elsewhere/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post

Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 3 2023 06:13pm)

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=637667974

Sorry, it's only a "logical objective"...