ultimately, all i am looking for here is for people to be more open minded and to conside a situation from more then one angle. i wanted a healthy debate with different views and we got that over the last year. while most, if not everyone have not changed from their original view, at least now they are in the presence of different viewpoints. while some users will ignore difficult questions and deflect it is nice to see some people honestly engaging, with a different view. if everyone had the same view then there would be something wrong. better to have it all in the open to try to work out the differences, or consider the other viewpoint when making decisions that effects everyone.



someone mentioned that it was Russia's aim to landlock Ukraine, was it you ? as I look at your map above, this does look to be a logical objective, from a russian standpoint.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 3 2023 11:46am

yeah but they accepted usa mafioso regime

Urkaine, Gorgia, Chenya.

I mean..
Come on

You have the patience of a saint for trying to get everyone here to debate respectfully lol

Dont bother....for real

Absolutely, they want all Ukraine, and Moldavia very probably. After that even if it's NATO countries Russia would continue to do the usual stuff ; Social medias + kompromat/corruption on far right parties like they did in EU for years.





Multis contributing...

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Feb 3 2023 11:53am

Russia has used technology to undermine elections throughout the world. They do NOT have a monopoly on this.

sorry i had to say it:

Russian interference in the 2016 Brexit referendum is a debated subject and remains unproven, though multiple sources argue evidence exists demonstrating that the Russian government attempted to influence British public opinion in favor of leaving the European Union.

being flippant, Russia was merely helping the political establishment in england get what it wanted - a divorce from europe. *rolls eyes* i wonder if they sent Russia a "thank you" card..

and

Russian interference in the US elections - Mueller concluded that Russian interference was "sweeping and systematic" and "violated U.S. criminal law", and he indicted twenty-six Russian citizens and three Russian organizations. The investigation also led to indictments and convictions of Trump campaign officials and associated Americans, on unrelated charges. I wonder if they also sent a "thank you" card...

I mean, nobody that got elected is going to ask for another election...yet trump still had the audacity to talk about voter fraud lol.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 3 2023 11:57am

He is trying his best, I remember chatting on this thread one year back , I lost my patience lol, so I just troll every now and then.
It is akin to having a debate with someone that thinks Santa Claus is real and you respectfully disagree and they snap back and say you are wrecking the only joy that they have since their childhood.

It is hard to come in the middle if the other side refuse to. There are a lot of things that can be agreed and disagreed in this conflict and be civil, but some people just refused to. It will come to a point where you don't think being civil is an option.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Feb 3 2023 11:54am

Giving money to far right parties isn't new tech.

i think you missed my point - my point is other countries will also undermine elections in other countries, in one way or another (example - US:Ukraine).

its not hard to google that the US is at least just as bad as Russia re: tampering with elections in other countries. while the US might do this more in Asia and Russia more in Europe, the point is still valid.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 3 2023 12:02pm