Quote (ferdia @ Feb 3 2023 02:23pm)

im not quite sure of your definition of force. what do you call the US installation of the government in ukraine?

^djunior and ^Meanwhile are you both talking about the same thing? i am confused looking at your back and forth. however:

Meanwhile - it is clear from reports that there is a degree of negotiation occuring between the US and Russia. Either re: tanks or long range weapons or the 20% story. What is your view on this having re-read what you posted above "What i don't understand is that we still find people here who think that "negotiation" works". Does this not undermine somewhat your argument ? the 20% of Ukraine to Russia story related to Biden (has this been proven true, does anyone know?). I know appeasement is not your argument but if its true that the US offered 20% of Ukraine to Russia, what is your view on this? negotiation is exactly meant for situations like this - to find a way out. I am not saying its easy. all life is about negotiation to one degree or another.

Djunior - im not sure what it is you are arguing about with meanwhile, ukraine's economy is rekt, and yes they are on life support and yes they would collapse without western aid. (i dont think meanwhile disagreed with this, or rather, i dont think this was his arguement ?)

its a bit late to be still quoting people's (wrong views) 1 year later. people can have views but not all views are facts. they are opinions until they become fact or events overtake them and they become historic conjecture. i would not harp on about it with "i told you so". or well, i guess you could do it 2-3 times, but seriously, let it ago after that, maybe ? I would not bash someone just because they have a different view, or because their view proved wrong.

if you want to make things relevant to today, you can both try to determine what will happen in the next 3 months. on condition you are only allowed to say "i told you so" 3 times over the next 12 months. :thumbsup:

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 3 2023 03:10pm)

Installation of the government :bonk:

Been watching Alex Jones? :D

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 3 2023 04:11pm)

are you denying that the US had any involvement in kingmaking in ukraine in the last 20 years ? this is a yes or no question.

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 3 2023 03:11pm)

are you denying that the US had any involvement in kingmaking in ukraine in the last 20 years ? this is a yes or no question.

Alexander Emerick Jones is an American far-right and alt-right radio show host and prominent conspiracy theorist. He hosts The Alex Jones Show from Austin, Texas, which the Genesis Communications Network broadcasts across the United States.

no, i have never watched any of his stuff. is he not the guy that got sued for claiming some attack never happened? /e ah, he is.

Quote (ferdia @ 3 Feb 2023 15:23)

im not quite sure of your definition of force. what do you call the US installation of the government in ukraine?

^djunior and ^Meanwhile are you both talking about the same thing? i am confused looking at your back and forth. however:

Meanwhile - it is clear from reports that there is a degree of negotiation occuring between the US and Russia. Either re: tanks or long range weapons or the 20% story. What is your view on this having re-read what you posted above "What i don't understand is that we still find people here who think that "negotiation" works". Does this not undermine somewhat your argument ? the 20% of Ukraine to Russia story related to Biden (has this been proven true, does anyone know?). I know appeasement is not your argument but if its true that the US offered 20% of Ukraine to Russia, what is your view on this? negotiation is exactly meant for situations like this - to find a way out. I am not saying its easy. all life is about negotiation to one degree or another.

Djunior - im not sure what it is you are arguing about with meanwhile, ukraine's economy is rekt, and yes they are on life support and yes they would collapse without western aid. (i dont think meanwhile disagreed with this, or rather, i dont think this was his arguement ?)

its a bit late to be still quoting people's (wrong views) 1 year later. people can have views but not all views are facts. they are opinions until they become fact or events overtake them and they become historic conjecture. i would not harp on about it with "i told you so". or well, i guess you could do it 2-3 times, but seriously, let it ago after that, maybe ? I would not bash someone just because they have a different view, or because their view proved wrong.

if you want to make things relevant to today, you can both try to determine what will happen in the next 3 months. on condition you are only allowed to say "i told you so" 3 times over the next 12 months. :thumbsup:

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 3 2023 12:10pm)

^ofthevoid, ^ferdia, ^dizzybusiness, ^djunior

Do you guys feel the current situation is somewhat similar to the Romance of the Three Kingdoms ?

:rofl:

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 4 Feb 2023 00:30)

The young should not read Water Margin, and the old should not read Three Kingdoms. Those are my only feelings on the matter!

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 3 2023 03:52pm)

No.
But are you saying the US installed the government in Ukraine?
And if so, are you comparing that to the Russisn invasion of Ukraine?

Would they be comparable "forces" to you?

Another valid point I think is Russias propping up of Bashad in Syria. If you want to say that Russia appeased NATO.
Russia acts in its own self interest, rightly so.
But at the detriment of Ukrainians? Not right.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 3 2023 11:10am)

Installation of the government :bonk:

Been watching Alex Jones? :D