Quote (ferdia @ Feb 3 2023 11:23am)

most people dont get what they deserve. but when a snake comes into your house and tries to bite you, you dont get down on your belly and try to bite back. similiarly if someone comes at you with a gun, its better to de-escalate then to get your own gun.

also i fail to see what you are linking ? had a look at his post again, how are you interpreting it?

ultimately the invasion last year by russia into ukraine was not half assed. it was not total war, i think we can all agree on that, but they for sure moved to topple the ukrainian government and replace it with a pro-russian one. having failed to do that it led to where we are today, in my opinion. If this Ukrainian government refuses to negotiate and rather to fight to the bitter end, win or lose, thats for them to decide, but russia have clearly indicated that this war is for them a do or die war, and they are not going to simply go home. russia will not move from its position of retaining crimea and (what it considers) protecting what was once eastern ukraine.

the main stream thinking is that eventually russia will back down, and be tried for war crimes and lose and reparations etc. all of that to my mind is fantasy/not credible.

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 3 2023 11:47am)

You can see how he reacts when people simply discuss Russian mobilization / buildup, right? Or any news that he doesn't like. But this is PARD and the topic is about Russia / Ukraine, we can discuss that here, it's not Meanwhile's private forum.

He should man up and accept that not everyone agrees with him, that would make things easier for him. He doesn't realize that when he keeps throwing shit at others he will get it back, like I just did when I said "Are you finally waking up", that's my reply to this (not sure if you saw it)

https://i.imgur.com/JNJj3Co.jpg

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 3 2023 11:50am)

The main stream thinking? What is that



All you do is throw shit in this topic :rofl: Your position is the same revisionist crap about "there should have been negotiations"

Nonsense

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 3 2023 12:50pm)

The main stream thinking? What is that



All you do is throw shit in this topic :rofl: Your position is the same revisionist crap about "there should have been negotiations"

Nonsense

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 3 2023 12:05pm)

The fact of the matter is that a new security framework was put on the table before this conflict broke out. And every conflict ends with negotiations btw.

You seem to be living in some kind of clown world where everything is being dictated by woke MSM outlets and you're just sucking it up.

Remember when I said that Russia is gearing up for take two, you called it the best joke you ever heard? You're such a clown ^_^

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 3 2023 01:05pm)

The fact of the matter is that a new security framework was put on the table before this conflict broke out. And every conflict ends with negotiations btw.

You seem to be living in some kind of clown world where everything is being dictated by woke MSM outlets and you're just sucking it up.

Remember when I said that Russia is gearing up for take two, you called it the best joke you ever heard? You're such a clown ^_^

Quote (babun1024 @ Feb 3 2023 12:06pm)

Take two is gathering 500000 soldiers.

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 3 2023 01:07pm)

probably more then that. its still not enough of course, would probably need 4-10m to do it properly, but they dont want to take over all of ukraine as i understand it. but for sure this 500,000 would not be enough to end the war, i think.

Quote (babun1024 @ Feb 3 2023 12:11pm)

The intel is they want to subjugate western Ukraine US style meaning destroying whole cities, infrastructure and sending them into middle ages. After that, they want a peace agreement where they retreat from western Ukraine but keep the areas with Russian population and landlock Ukraine.

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 3 2023 11:53am)

sorry i should have clarified originally and said "main stream western thinking".

trust this clarifies my comment re: "main stream thinking".

also, to borrow from Djuniors argument, i would say there should have been negotiation which should have involved 1 side (the west, the USA), backing down. there were key points when this could have averted where we are today. I accept that some ppl consider this appeasement, and that you are convinced djunior and i are wrong and you are right (no appeasement, would not have changed anything), i chalk this to a difference of opinion and I dont dwell on it. it is what it is *shrugs*.

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 3 2023 12:05pm)

The fact of the matter is that a new security framework was put on the table before this conflict broke out. And every conflict ends with negotiations btw.

You seem to be living in some kind of clown world where everything is being dictated by woke MSM outlets and you're just sucking it up.

Remember when I said that Russia is gearing up for take two, you called it the best joke you ever heard? You're such a clown ^_^

Quote (ferdia @ Feb 3 2023 01:13pm)

yes.

to be clear: im not agreeing with their position, simply agreeing that this looks like what they want to do.