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Feb 1 2023 01:50pm
Quote (ferdia @ 1 Feb 2023 20:35)
to be clear what i was saying was: the war is more likely to escalate in 2023 (and 2024) then anything else to happen.


We were also expecting black outs in EU, along with major crisis because of "self-own gas" etc...
Incoming: Spring Russian offensive (which already started it seems) and then UA tanks counter-offensive in Summer. And later on: US elections.

No way to make positive or negative predictions atm. I would just note down that NATO & allies have like what ? 20++ times more ressources than Russia which is hidding some keys numbers of its economy atm.
And the famous ratio of 3-4:1 on battle field because they are the invaders.
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Feb 1 2023 01:51pm
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We were also expecting black outs in EU, along with major crisis because of "self-own gas" etc...
Incoming: Spring Russian offensive (which already started it seems) and then UA tanks counter-offensive in Summer. And later on: US elections.

No way to make positive or negative predictions atm. I would just note down that NATO & allies have like what ? 20++ times more ressources than Russia which is hidding some keys numbers of its economy atm.
And the famous ratio of 3-4:1 on battle field because they are the invaders.


yes i am making a prediction, if your stance is you cant make a prediction thats fine. this is not an arguement i am making, it is a prediction (you dont have to agree or disagree).
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Feb 1 2023 02:12pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 1 2023 08:07pm)
You're talking as if the loss of pipeline gas sales to Europe will have no effect whatsoever on Russia. Building equivalent pipeline capacity to China will cost tens of billions and take many years, and expose Russia to a strategic dependence on a single customer.

Other options simply don't exist, the distance from Russian gas fields to India or South East Asia is far too long and going through too many unsafe countries to ever allow large pipeline projects. India will never allow its natural gas supplies to depend on a pipeline which the Chinese or the Pakistanis could shut down any time they feel like it.



I'm sure it has an effect on Russia but they're still exporting oil and gas and will keep doing that. It cannot be stopped, they're mixing crude with other crude for example and it still ends up in the EU (this was reported a while ago).

In the mean time EU losses are measured in trillions when you add it all up, not only the energy crisis and government rescue packages to help families pay their bills but inflation, rescue of companies like Uniper, weapons / aid to Ukraine, increased defense budgets and so on.
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Feb 1 2023 02:19pm
Canadian sniper in Ukraine describes Russians’ stubborn advance in Bakhmut

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-russia-ukraine-war-bakhmut-canadian-sniper/

IMHO : Much "better" to have all the damage done over and over on 1 fixed area.


Quote (ferdia @ 1 Feb 2023 20:51)
yes i am making a prediction, if your stance is you cant make a prediction thats fine. this is not an arguement i am making, it is a prediction (you dont have to agree or disagree).


No crystal ball, but don't forget it's a special operation, not a war. And you can still have a technically non-resolved "conflict" while having a very fixed frontlines with minimal fights.
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Feb 1 2023 02:20pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 1 2023 08:19pm)
Canadian sniper in Ukraine describes Russians’ stubborn advance in Bakhmut

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-russia-ukraine-war-bakhmut-canadian-sniper/

IMHO : Much "better" to have all the damage done over and over on 1 fixed area.




No crystal ball, but don't forget it's a special operation, not a war. And you can still have a technically non-resolved "conflict" while having a very fixed frontlines with minimal fights.


its a war and for sure it wont be minimal for long.
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Feb 1 2023 02:26pm
Quote (ferdia @ 1 Feb 2023 21:20)
its a war and for sure it wont be minimal for long.


" Incoming: Spring Russian offensive (which already started it seems) and then UA tanks counter-offensive in Summer. " Remember ?
So I'm giving an example where you are right because the conflict did not end but frontlines are getting stabilized and so there's less fights.

/e don't count on me for predictions :lol:

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Feb 1 2023 02:30pm
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Quote (Djunior @ 1 Feb 2023 21:12)
I'm sure it has an effect on Russia but they're still exporting oil and gas and will keep doing that. It cannot be stopped, they're mixing crude with other crude for example and it still ends up in the EU (this was reported a while ago).

In the mean time EU losses are measured in trillions when you add it all up, not only the energy crisis and government rescue packages to help families pay their bills but inflation, rescue of companies like Uniper, weapons / aid to Ukraine, increased defense budgets and so on.


Are you seriously comparing the construction cost of one pipeline with the overall impact that this war has on Europe's entire economy and national budgets? :rofl:

Russia's increased military spending will also cost them hundreds of billions over the coming years, as do the economic and financial sanctions. The long-term loss of their best customers will also diminish their future revenue. The overall cost of this war for Russia will easily go into the trillions too, anyone thinking otherwise is a fool. Also note that Europe and the West as a whole have economies which are magnitudes larger than Russia's. If necessary, we can absolutely shoulder an economic hit which is nominally larger than the hit Russia takes.

And last but not least, we should not forget that not all of the inflation is due to the war in Ukraine. Inflation in the US already stood at 7.1% in January 2022, so it's not like everything would be fine and dandy if only Russia had been allowed to steamroll Ukraine.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 1 2023 02:58pm
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Feb 1 2023 03:03pm
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Canadian sniper in Ukraine describes Russians’ stubborn advance in Bakhmut

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-russia-ukraine-war-bakhmut-canadian-sniper/

IMHO : Much "better" to have all the damage done over and over on 1 fixed area.




No crystal ball, but don't forget it's a special operation, not a war. And you can still have a technically non-resolved "conflict" while having a very fixed frontlines with minimal fights.


Paywalled article.
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Feb 1 2023 03:06pm
Quote (Santara @ 1 Feb 2023 22:03)
Paywalled article.


Very strange, i have it all.
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Paywalled article.


https://archive.is/uJZpC

Bookmark the website it's useful for these situations.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 1 Feb 2023 21:56)
And last but not least, we should not forget that not all of the inflation is due to the war in Ukraine. Inflation in the US already stood at 7.1% in January 2022, so it's not like everything would be fine and dandy if only Russia had been allowed to steamroll Ukraine.


It's horrible because some people are simply no believing me when it tell them :rolleyes:
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