Artillery shells are cool for paper tigers. Technology and budget matter, alot.

"If one uses the NATO defense expenditure data, the total for NATO is $1,175 billion, or 17.8 times the Russian figure. Europe and Canada are estimated to spend a total of $364 billion, or 5.5 times the Russian figure"

If you factor in rampant corruption, NATO real term expenditure is probably more like 20 times that of Russia.



I care about Ukrainians, but unlike you I also care for their right to exist outside Russia's sphere of influence.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 31 2023 07:32am

Are you seriously comparing Russian gear to NATO gear 1:1?

Russia produces gear at a fraction of NATO quality too, not just price.

Go do your homework.

This post was edited by Santara on Jan 31 2023 07:30am

As opposed to what exactly? Ending the war now? What does that look like in real terms? Do enlighten us.

I don't think our Scottish friend understand the cost of producing something in China / Russia and USA or the West.
I am also sure he might not have the idea of


GDP (PPP)
GDP (Nominal)
GDP Per Capital

Neville's gonna Neville.

I'm glad you think I'm your friend, because I never think about you at all
In terms of manufacturing artillery shells, Russia can outstrip NATO currently. Artillery is what the Russian army does; NATO didn't intend to fight 20th century wars in the 21st century.
Pinch yourself if you think NATO and Russia/China capabilities are even remotely close.

I'd wager dollars to donuts China is far more lethal than Russia.

This conflict could've been entirely avoided.



Come back when the Vietnam / Afghanistan wars are won and both countries are turned into functioning democracies

Dumb shits gonna be dumb

That was sarcasm if you didn't get it you are extremely daft, nobody in this particular thread thinks much about you at all.
The reason why they even reply you is simply because they need to pass time and get some Reeeeee response from you.

You don't have anything constructive to bring on to the table. That being said, you are a byproduct of ideology and herd instincts.

i remember recommending the movie charlie wilson's war. tam hanks. this conversation reminds me of it.


ill bite!

ending the war looks like this:

ukraine cedes (alot of) land to russia and russia is satisfied that its borders / long term interests are secure.




This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 31 2023 07:51am