Western militaries pivoted away from artillery based doctrine. More towards high tech systems. Military industry is not geared to manufacturing massive amounts of artillery shells.
Building consensus is always a strategy. And something to consider is "Russia’s defence budget last year of $66bn, even when combined with China’s $293bn of spending, is dwarfed by Nato members’ combined budget of over $1.1tn."

https://www.ft.com/content/d413576c-c4d5-4ca6-9050-58f3f8dc3c00



Do you support sending Ukraine adequate means to defend?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 31 2023 06:29am

yes

The discussions here or on MSM are very one sided. We, the west, don't just send arms to Ukraine but food supplies, energy supplies and much more without which Ukraine wouldn't stand a chance against Moskow. There is however a thin line between supporting Ukraine as a proxy and being fully involved in the war with NATO as a warring party. I am all for "support them enough to halt their advance and bleed them as much as possible". I don't think we're acting in the interest of Ukrainian people btw.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jan 31 2023 07:06am

Do you support sending main battle tanks?

No
Do you want WW3 with Russia, China and consorts?

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jan 31 2023 07:08am

Do you think sending tanks to Ukraine will start WW3?
If so, why?
Do you think Putin wants WW3? Over facing western tanks?

China? What?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 31 2023 07:12am

This is what I think but let me know your thoughts.

NATO Allie who are Ex Soviet Union mainly Balkan States Poland, Latvia , Czech etc etc

These countries are mainly using ex Soviet and Russian Equipment and they have a vast amounts of it, well maintained and working.
First things first , Ukrainians are used to Russian and Soviet equipment and they don't need to relearn using Western equipment , tanks , planes etc etc .
Therefore it is a reasonable tactic to ask such countries to provide Ukraine with them so they can use it with ease.

Military equipment from Germany , France other Nato countries.

It would be faster and speedier for these countries in EU to provide since they are in close proximity and the Military in Ukraine can send their boys for training.

In the end to give my own thoughts on your question 1.
The so call West Team . The litmus test is not US first priority.

2. Nato Countries being drained of their armaments.
That is what I think the US wants.

Once the ex soviet states get rid of all their Russia equipment and the Other Nato states exhaust and deplete their military storage....

Guess who will be selling them, upgrading them and replenish their armaments?

The US military industrial complex.
This is huge huge business in my point of view.

Time to buy more stocks from Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.

just checked the stock over the last 10 years. wow. imagine the fortunes made there. i see this as a byproduct of the war and not the cause however. ultimately while no doubt this is an interest it is not the foundation but rather a benefit of the war.

that rise in stock is only going to keep going for the time being...buying stock here would be a win for those inclined to make money.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 31 2023 07:28am

Are you seriously comparing this 1:1?

Russia produces weapons at a fraction of the cost compared to Western weapons, quick Google example shows KA 52 ~16M per unit, AH64 Apache ~52M per unit

Not even looking at army personnel salaries, availability of raw materials, cheap labor in factories pumping out shells and so on.

Go do your homework

I am already checking out the military hardware that Taiwan is purchasing or will be be purchasing from USA for the past month and in the next 5 to 8 years.
But that will also depend on Taiwan's 2024 election. So I am waiting to see how it unfolds, preparing some extra funds to buy those stocks.

No, prolonging the war means more dead Ukrainians.

Do you care about Ukrainians?