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May 11 2023 04:31am
Quote (IceMage @ May 11 2023 12:13pm)
I'm perfectly willing to admit the truth, which is that some Democrats were not strong enough in condemning those destructive protests. Some were providing a rhetorical shield for them. But we'll have to deal with it line by line, because I think Democratic leadership, for the most part, were responsible in their rhetoric. And they didn't cause it.

But it's undeniably true that Trump caused January 6th. If he had simply accepted the reality of his loss, nobody is storming the Capitol that day. And this is the subject you want to avoid.


I'm not avoiding the subject and I'm not denying that Trump caused it.

From the beginning I've argued that Jan 6th is blown out of proportion (and then some) by Democrats and their mainstream media mouthpieces. It's being used for political gain, which you just admitted

And Democrats claiming that bunch of protesters, armed with flags and some pepper spray, were out to end democracy in the US is just pathetic.

Secondly I mentioned the Floyd riots to point out the impact of those riots compared to Jan 6th (and we know that many places still haven't recovered, businesses have left and so on). That the Floyd riots were more destructive in every way is clear as day.

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May 11 2023 04:39am
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I'm not avoiding the subject and I'm not denying that Trump caused it.

From the beginning I've argued that Jan 6th is blown out of proportion (and then some) by Democrats and their mainstream media mouthpieces. It's being used for political gain, which you just admitted

And Democrats claiming that bunch of protesters, armed with flags and some pepper spray, were out to end democracy in the US is just pathetic.

Secondly I mentioned the Floyd riots to point out the impact of those riots compared to Jan 6th (and we know that many places still haven't recovered, businesses have left and so on). That the Floyd riots were more destructive in every way is clear as day.


You aren't avoiding the subject and don't deny that Trump caused it.

So what should be the consequences for it?
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May 11 2023 04:58am
Quote (IceMage @ May 11 2023 12:39pm)
You aren't avoiding the subject and don't deny that Trump caused it.

So what should be the consequences for it?


This has become a show trial where one Jan 6th protester got 14 years for using pepper spray against officers while the Floyd rioters were quickly released or bailed out by their buddies.

Should there be consequences for looting and burning down city blocks? I'd say yes. Should there be consequences for storming the capitol? I'd say yes.

But you seem to be under the impression that Floyd rioters getting away with it is fine and 14 years for some pepper spray is reasonable.

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Quote (IceMage @ May 11 2023 04:50am)
My post was about the FBI warning Facebook about Russian disinformation related to Hunter Biden before the election, which is the claim Bogie made. This is referencing the story about how the FBI talked to social media companies pre-election about being on the lookout for foreign disinformation, particularly from Russia. I believe Bogie is wrong about the FBI specifically referencing Hunter Biden. From the evidence, it sounded like a general warning which made perfect sense for them to give.


Yes, that statement was generalized not specific.
But just to be clear: The CIA (active agents) and FBI (former agents, recruited by active CIA agents) were involved in drafting and signing the "51 former officials" letter that explicitly called the Hunter Biden laptop russian disinformation, which is what Joe Biden cited on stage.
So there was that direct example of political interference. And the FBI was also ordered to quash the investigation. So between those two, that means the generalized FBI statement didn't occur in a vacuum: They knew about the Biden laptop and the efforts to suppress it and sanitize it. They went to social media companies and told them to suppress 'russian disinformation' and then turned around and told them that the Biden laptop was russian disinformation. At the behest of the Biden campaign. And the social media companies did their bidding.
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This has become a show trial where one Jan 6th protester got 14 years for using pepper spray against officers while the Floyd rioters were quickly released or bailed out by their buddies.

Should there be consequences for looting and burning down city blocks? I'd say yes. Should there be consequences for storming the capitol? I'd say yes.

But you seem to be under the impression that Floyd rioters getting away with it is fine and 14 years for some pepper spray is reasonable.


Not exactly true, the difference is that many of the George Floyd rioters received hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in payouts from the taxpayers. They weren't just released, they were rewarded.
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May 11 2023 09:06am
Quote (IceMage @ May 11 2023 03:13am)
I'm perfectly willing to admit the truth, which is that some Democrats were not strong enough in condemning those destructive protests. Some were providing a rhetorical shield for them. But we'll have to deal with it line by line, because I think Democratic leadership, for the most part, were responsible in their rhetoric. And they didn't cause it.

But it's undeniably true that Trump caused January 6th. If he had simply accepted the reality of his loss, nobody is storming the Capitol that day. And this is the subject you want to avoid.


this dudes gotta be a troll

got a conviction of isuma erection. some cop got maced and the country almost got taken over


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May 11 2023 10:04am
Quote (Djunior @ May 11 2023 06:58am)
This has become a show trial where one Jan 6th protester got 14 years for using pepper spray against officers while the Floyd rioters were quickly released or bailed out by their buddies.

Should there be consequences for looting and burning down city blocks? I'd say yes. Should there be consequences for storming the capitol? I'd say yes.

But you seem to be under the impression that Floyd rioters getting away with it is fine and 14 years for some pepper spray is reasonable.


The race riots of 2020 have nothing to do with January 6th. If you want to minimize January 6th, you can simply do so, you don't have to bring up other incidents.

Quote (Goomshill @ May 11 2023 07:37am)
Yes, that statement was generalized not specific.


That's what I thought.
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May 11 2023 10:09am
Quote (TiStuff @ May 11 2023 11:06am)
this dudes gotta be a troll

got a conviction of isuma erection. some cop got maced and the country almost got taken over
https://media.tenor.com/I_a26hec7qgAAAAC/honkler-clown.gif


The insurrectionists literally videotaped themselves doing what they did... you can go on YouTube and watch it. They even talked about their motivations during it. They chanted slogans like "hang Mike Pence". A few of them were convicted of seditious conspiracy.

You can either say that it was justified, or it was not. Staking out some dopey middle ground that it was simply a Capitol tour gone awry makes no sense.

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May 11 2023 10:29am
Quote (IceMage @ May 11 2023 09:09am)
The insurrectionists literally videotaped themselves doing what they did... you can go on YouTube and watch it. They even talked about their motivations during it. They chanted slogans like "hang Mike Pence". A few of them were convicted of seditious conspiracy.

You can either say that it was justified, or it was not. Staking out some dopey middle ground that it was simply a Capitol tour gone awry makes no sense.


funny they cant find the people that built the gallows
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May 11 2023 10:46am
Quote (IceMage @ May 11 2023 06:04pm)
The race riots of 2020 have nothing to do with January 6th. If you want to minimize January 6th, you can simply do so, you don't have to bring up other incidents.


I knew it, lol

Jan 6th protesters should get 14 years, BLM rioters get a free pass from you.

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