Quote (IceMage @ Feb 3 2023 06:12pm)
So because the only commentary from those outside your bubble was clips from CNN, from whoever inside the bubble showed them, that represents the entirety of the public commentary on this issue?
It's important to separate political and legal peril. An executive mishandling classified documents should obviously matter politically, but it won't necessarily result in legal consequences. Here's a quote from Jim Comey's announcement about Hillary on July 5th, 2016:
Based on the evidence so far, Trump obstructed. He may even meet the "clearly intentional and willful mishandling" standard.
So, long story short, any executive who ends up with classified documents in unauthorized locations is wrong for having done so. But we live in a world where Biden's likely opponent in 2024 is a guy who did it even worse. He probably had more documents, they were probably more sensitive, and he clearly obstructed. So given the context, my outrage over Biden's scandal is tempered by Trump's. And refusing to see and acknowledge the differences here is willful ignorance.
The documents issue is such a great litmus test for political hacks. I kind of love it for that reason.
Trump had massive amounts of documents that he was completely aware of, in blatantly insecure locations, of massive importance, and when asked actively refused to turn them over, and then lied about turning them over, and then asked his lawyers to lie about turning them over.
Biden had a few dozen documents, that when discovered were actively turned over without having to be asked, and they were kept in a locked room, and is actively cooperating with the process.
Anybody who even hints that the situations are similar is a blatant hack. It's just that cut and dry.
Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 1 2023 09:23pm)
The mainstream narrative on CNN was that this was super serious issue because nuclear secrets were involved, and that's why the FBI was involved. Now you're saying it wasn't a super serious issue, everyone does this, and if he had just tossed the government documents over the fence it wouldn't have been an issue. Who was right or wrong here?
I personally said several times, and saw like a dozen people on this forum say, and saw multiple articles saying, that the standard has always been not to prosecute if the person cooperates with turning over documents. And I know for a fact you saw them too because you were present in the threads on the subject.
Which is how I know you are just a liar and not making a mistake. I really don't understand this mindset where you will just lie to somebody's face. That level of blatant dishonesty is the kind of thing that is required to be a conservative in America, and it's truly astounding that so many people are that dishonest.
This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Feb 11 2023 07:25am