This is a great post to show how Trump cultists don't follow media outside of their own bubble.

Before the Biden documents scandal began, it was a pretty common talking point among those with knowledge in these areas that Trump would not have been faced with impending doom if he had not obstructed. If he had simply returned the documents he had no right to, there would be no special counsel, and he would not be under threat of indictment.

But he's a toddler, the leader of a cult of personality, and he chose to obstruct. And that's why, if he's indicted and Biden is not, there won't be much of a mystery in my mind, because I can understand facts outside of my political perspective. The DOJ can look the other way when an executive has classified documents(as we have seen in multiple examples), it cannot look the other way when that person obstructs the DOJ's attempt to retrieve them.

And I'm looking forward to Bogie's explanation as to why Trump was right to lie and obstruct, as well as Goom's, but I think most people outside the bubble can see what is going on here.

This post was edited by IceMage on Feb 1 2023 07:16pm

Didn't you say that it's OK for politicians to lie to the people in order to manipulate their behavior? You didn't use the exact wording but the gist of it is still the same.

The mainstream narrative on CNN was that this was super serious issue because nuclear secrets were involved, and that's why the FBI was involved. Now you're saying it wasn't a super serious issue, everyone does this, and if he had just tossed the government documents over the fence it wouldn't have been an issue. Who was right or wrong here?

Biden had unsecured documents he had no legal authority to have in his unsecure garage for at least 6 years and the usual suspects/media blames Trump for it. lmfao!

trump has documents as a president and as president he can declassify them. bogus dude helped him self to documents as a vice president and now it seems a senator which were never de classified and it seems he has them slopped around all over the place and no one ever gave a chit . so yea it all seems like a bullchit witch hunt on trump

So because the only commentary from those outside your bubble was clips from CNN, from whoever inside the bubble showed them, that represents the entirety of the public commentary on this issue?

It's important to separate political and legal peril. An executive mishandling classified documents should obviously matter politically, but it won't necessarily result in legal consequences. Here's a quote from Jim Comey's announcement about Hillary on July 5th, 2016:



Based on the evidence so far, Trump obstructed. He may even meet the "clearly intentional and willful mishandling" standard.

So, long story short, any executive who ends up with classified documents in unauthorized locations is wrong for having done so. But we live in a world where Biden's likely opponent in 2024 is a guy who did it even worse. He probably had more documents, they were probably more sensitive, and he clearly obstructed. So given the context, my outrage over Biden's scandal is tempered by Trump's. And refusing to see and acknowledge the differences here is willful ignorance.

This post was edited by IceMage on Feb 3 2023 06:14pm

hahaha now it looks like pence has documents.

Still no one even reach a tenth of Trump's level: 1/ refusing to deliver 2/10 times more documents.

hahahahaha thats "PRESIDENT" trump suka and "PRESIDENTS" get to have classified documents REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So now quantity is more important than quality?