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#20761
Jan 26 2023 11:23pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jan 26 2023 11:59pm)
There are always grounds for negotiation if you are in favor of peace. In my opinion, the worse things get the more reason there is for negotiation.

When do you think is the proper time to negotiate? I can't understand how negotiation is ever anything but a positive in a war, even if it doesn't work, the attempt should be made shouldn't it?


The citizens of the EU bureaucrats should send combat clothing and army boots to their political representatives in the EU. If they really want to help the Ukraine, they don't need more foreign weapons or money, they need capable men ready, able and willing to fight on the front lines. I can think of no better people to send to the front than our political leaders. The political class of course has no intentions of ever getting their hands dirty anywhere near the fighting, cowardly lot they are.
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#20762
Jan 26 2023 11:23pm
Quote (fender @ Jan 27 2023 01:48am)
"yOu sHoULd aT aLL TiMeS bE WiLLinG tO nEgOtiAtE WiTh tHe AbUsiVe pErSoN tHaT hAs bEaTeN yOu rEpeAteDLy fOr dEcAdEs" - said no serious or reasonable outsider ever.

again, pootin's russia has SHOWN us time and again what happens if you negotiate from a position of weakness: he WILL come back for more. almost nothing happened after they annexed crimea. pootin understood that as a clear signal he can try again and annex something else. if ukraine now says: ok, take crimea, donbas, and whatever else you want, we all KNOW what happens next: he WILL come back for more. trying to frame not giving him exactly that as "not being open to dialogue" is nothing but propaganda. it's literal insanity.


The EU already failed Ukraine when it decided to use the Minsk accords to arm Ukraine for a conflict it couldn't win.
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#20763
Jan 26 2023 11:24pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 27 2023 01:19am)
Lol that's rude. I hope this idea isn't made in China btw.

https://i.ibb.co/QjBb68V/xi-jinping-winnie-the-pooh.jpg


Ukraine is the dumping ground for failed Military equipment. It is difficult to pull down equipment once it has been sold. Countries are dumping on Ukraine old equipment too. Because scavenging for parts is difficult with old equipment. Tanks are now old school. No one in their right mind wants to die in a Spam can. Ukraine will fall to Russia. Global economies are slowing, and people are not hot on war subsidization. Leaders are hot on war because they get kickbacks. But ordinary people are not hot on wars. They want peace.
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#20764
Jan 26 2023 11:24pm
Quote (fender @ Jan 27 2023 04:28am)
what are you even on about?! negotiations about those things (humanitarian corridors, prisoner swaps...) ARE still happening - regularly - even though russia repeatedly violated and attacked agreed upon corridors previously btw. the thing that does NOT happen is ukraine negotiating its surrender by ceding even more of its territory to russia - understandably so, since pootin ALWAYS came back to annex even more territory than before.

so wait, you people genuinely thought that there was no communication, no negotiation whatsoever going on?! LOL. apparently you don't actually have the slightest clue what's happening, you simply adopt whatever narrative the kremlin feeds you, and then "debate" as if that's the truth, lol. ferdia is the same, thinking you made an actual point there. what a bot...


These cowards know that they are on thin ice , that they're pushing their luck . At some point Putin will have to teach them a lesson .
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#20765
Jan 26 2023 11:25pm
Quote (fender @ Jan 27 2023 12:21am)
kremlin bot or NPC ≠ paid troll

learn to read. you're the type of bot who just reads kremlin propaganda, accepts it uncritically, and regurgitates it. trolls at russian farms get paid to spam pro russia propaganda, you're even lower than that, lol.


Bro i think you not just brainwash HOW MUCH GOVERNMENT PAY YOU TO POST HERE LIE? HOW MUCH HARD WORKING TAXPAYER MONEY YOU STOLE BY DECEIVE YOUR OWN PEOPLE JUDA?
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#20766
Jan 26 2023 11:25pm
Quote (ferdia @ Jan 27 2023 12:51am)
the US and england have repeatedly told their allies and ukraine not to negotiate a peace deal. it takes 2 sides to agree on a peace deal. not 1. there are several interviews that you can read about this and they were posted here in the past. look peace is not on the table in 2023. revisit this specific issue in 2024.


Macron Has Lost Any Credibility In European Affair He May Have Had... It Would Be Best For All Concerned For Him To Stay Completely Out Of Anything To Do With The Conflict In Ukraine. Just Take A Close Look At Scholz and macron In The Image Above Grinning And Laughing, This Is Not A Game It 's Real People Being Killed/Maimed In Ukraine. What Will Stoltenberg/Von Der Leyen/ Macron/ Scholz Do If This Desperate Psychopath Zelensky Asks For, Battle Ships/ Fighter Planes, Ground Troops? All The EU Countries Sending Weapons To Zelensky ( I Believe) Are Using The Conflict In Ukraine Have seized On This Opportunity As A cover To Exact Some Type Personal Revenge Against Russia......Why I Don't Know As It Was Russia Under The Old USSR (Red Army At Considerable Cost Of 27 Million Russians ) That Liberated Most Of These Countries From German Invasion During WWII.....They Have Short Memories......
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#20767
Jan 26 2023 11:26pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jan 27 2023 02:09am)
I don't think the Russians thought this would turn into a real war, so no I don't think they applied their advantage in full, otherwise we would have seen the huge mobilization beforehand.

Most military experts agree that you need a huge force to occupy and hold a country and since Russians initial invasion force was under 200k I really don't think they ever wanted the entirety of Ukraine, I think they assumed they could waltz into eastern Ukraine and probably control Kiev via the Antonov airport but because of the failure to capture and hold the airport Ukraine was able to fight back. The Intel that the Russians planned to attack Antonov was supposedly given to Ukraine by the CIA, it could be Russia underestimated the amount of western Intel Ukraine was receiving.

What would the requirements be to start negotiations? Neither side has to concede anything to put two diplomats in a room somewhere to yell at eachother, at the very least it can't hurt anything to have the countries talking more.

It would allow for more discussion of humanitarian corridors, evacuations, safe travel of food exports the world desperately needs. All of these are valuable even if their is no diplomatic resolution to the war.


Sincerely, Ukraine war is the only way to save Zelensky's and Biden's presidency. When this war stops, Comedian Zelensky will be killed by Ukrainian and dement Biden placed in hospital for Alzheimer !?
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#20768
Jan 26 2023 11:27pm
Quote (fender @ Jan 27 2023 04:28am)
what are you even on about?! negotiations about those things (humanitarian corridors, prisoner swaps...) ARE still happening - regularly - even though russia repeatedly violated and attacked agreed upon corridors previously btw. the thing that does NOT happen is ukraine negotiating its surrender by ceding even more of its territory to russia - understandably so, since pootin ALWAYS came back to annex even more territory than before.

so wait, you people genuinely thought that there was no communication, no negotiation whatsoever going on?! LOL. apparently you don't actually have the slightest clue what's happening, you simply adopt whatever narrative the kremlin feeds you, and then "debate" as if that's the truth, lol. ferdia is the same, thinking you made an actual point there. what a bot...


This is NATO last chance : Tanks to Ukraine that will change the force balance. It this fails then the war is over and they will rush to negotiations claiming that they have given Russia a lesson even if Ukraine was unable to regain anything and lost thousands of soldiers. The media are already preparing the narrative to trick the western readers into claiming NATO victory..
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#20769
Jan 26 2023 11:27pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 27 2023 02:02am)
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/EF5C/production/_123867216_zelensky_comp_640x2-nc.png.webp


What happened to Westen values and principles to de-escalate and de-militarize, and to strive for diplomacy to accomplish compromise and agreement? None of it exists anymore, and neither does a prosperous and peaceful future, at least not for the EU. Unprecedented warmongering and ignoring history and reality are the new status quo and western standard. It's inconceivable how easily the collective west have fallen prey to US propaganda and media pressure, pursuing an emotional and stubborn path no matter the cost or consequence. They behave like children who have done wrong and continue to lie to feel good about it, or criminals who sue the victim in the hope the truth would never reveal. Statesmanship and prudence are no more, fascism and ideology are the way of the future. And the irony of circumstance is that all is fake, fake climate science, fake pandemics, fake democracy, fake history, and fake news. As the saying goes: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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#20770
Jan 26 2023 11:28pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 27 2023 01:39am)
Changing the constitution of Ukraine in this regard was unnecessary in my opinion.
It does send a clear message but doesn't leave room in which to manoeuvre.

I realised now that that djunior is actually a reverse engineered Soviet era Alex Jones.


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The Ukraine is already yesterday's news but the US and the English would love to see Germany and Poland go head to head with Russia. Look at how WW2 started. Same actors same stage - Only this time Germany is led by a Moron but Poland is led by Duda who is the incarnation of General Wladyslaw Sikorski - a pumped up fool of a man who got belted by both the German Army and the Russian Army. And of course the Poles were pushed into the jaws of hell by the English - same thing happening today. A famous American General once said: "I have a (fu---ng) bad feeling about this and a lotta folks are gonna get killed."

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