Yes ty: I had a question for you and even ferdia:
- What was your reaction when Rishi Sunak said "no" Scottish referendum ?
- How about doing (easy) comparisons with Ukraine and Russia ?



always let the backdoor open ...

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jan 26 2023 05:36pm

Changing the constitution of Ukraine in this regard was unnecessary in my opinion.
It does send a clear message but doesn't leave room in which to manoeuvre.

I realised now that that djunior is actually a reverse engineered Soviet era Alex Jones.

I like this question.

Rishi Sunak is the current head of the english goverment. England has alot of social problems (standard of living) and has a depressed economy. A previous leader of England, David Cameron, had a terrible habit of putting big things to a vote (Scottish Referendum, Brexit) where he envisaged the vote would always go his way. in this regard this would boost his ratings and he would please his party/resolve longstanding issues. He was convinced he would always win. The Queen was not impressed that he went for the Scottish referendum(For independance, which would be terrible for the UK) and that says alot. He won that vote. then he did the Brexit vote(to leave the EU). His own personal advisors told him in no uncertain terms that it was a bad idea to contemplate a brexit vote (putting all his eggs in one basket) because even if it looked guanteed that the vote would fail, if the unthinkable happened(and Brexit passed) he would be goosed. David Cameron had a self inflated ego and proceeded. He lost the vote and duly resigned and no one has seen him since. And he left England with Brexit, because of his ego. In this regard Ukraine are betting everything on winning this war and have not bothered to think about the cost or what would happen if they lost.

so to answer your question, for England it is the right thing for Rishi Sunak to say "no" to a scottish referedum, yesterday, today and tomorrow ( sorry i have not been looking, when did he say this ? ) as this would weaken the UK as a "united "kingdom"". I actually dont know if its good for scotland to seperate from england. any view on this from an economic (or other) standpoint ? I accept the EU would pump money into scotland its just that Scotland and England have been joined to the hip for so long I wonder how scotland would fare apart from England (but probably, they would do well).

i trust this answers your question!

finally, even if Rishi Sunak says no, the scottish government, having already tasted a referendum will probably take this legal and we will hear more about this at the end of 2023. i think ultimately if england butters scotland up enough (if they are able to) the scottish vote may go away. if the standard of living continues to decline and the scottish government are able to convince their people that all their troubles are caused by england then I can see them pushing and winning a vote to leave the uk. this tactic was used for decades against the eu by certain individuals in england so im pretty sure the scotts would not mind to reverse engineer it.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 26 2023 06:00pm

"yOu sHoULd aT aLL TiMeS bE WiLLinG tO nEgOtiAtE WiTh tHe AbUsiVe pErSoN tHaT hAs bEaTeN yOu rEpeAteDLy fOr dEcAdEs" - said no serious or reasonable outsider ever.

again, pootin's russia has SHOWN us time and again what happens if you negotiate from a position of weakness: he WILL come back for more. almost nothing happened after they annexed crimea. pootin understood that as a clear signal he can try again and annex something else. if ukraine now says: ok, take crimea, donbas, and whatever else you want, we all KNOW what happens next: he WILL come back for more. trying to frame not giving him exactly that as "not being open to dialogue" is nothing but propaganda. it's literal insanity.

Yes, it's nice, he messed up at the highest point, a risk he should have never taken.

I don't think the Russians thought this would turn into a real war, so no I don't think they applied their advantage in full, otherwise we would have seen the huge mobilization beforehand.

Most military experts agree that you need a huge force to occupy and hold a country and since Russians initial invasion force was under 200k I really don't think they ever wanted the entirety of Ukraine, I think they assumed they could waltz into eastern Ukraine and probably control Kiev via the Antonov airport but because of the failure to capture and hold the airport Ukraine was able to fight back. The Intel that the Russians planned to attack Antonov was supposedly given to Ukraine by the CIA, it could be Russia underestimated the amount of western Intel Ukraine was receiving.

What would the requirements be to start negotiations? Neither side has to concede anything to put two diplomats in a room somewhere to yell at eachother, at the very least it can't hurt anything to have the countries talking more.

It would allow for more discussion of humanitarian corridors, evacuations, safe travel of food exports the world desperately needs. All of these are valuable even if their is no diplomatic resolution to the war.

agree with all that.

what are you even on about?! negotiations about those things (humanitarian corridors, prisoner swaps...) ARE still happening - regularly - even though russia repeatedly violated and attacked agreed upon corridors previously btw. the thing that does NOT happen is ukraine negotiating its surrender by ceding even more of its territory to russia - understandably so, since pootin ALWAYS came back to annex even more territory than before.

so wait, you people genuinely thought that there was no communication, no negotiation whatsoever going on?! LOL. apparently you don't actually have the slightest clue what's happening, you simply adopt whatever narrative the kremlin feeds you, and then "debate" as if that's the truth, lol. ferdia is the same, thinking you made an actual point there. what a bot...

So wait, you don't know what "more" means? Hilarious that you are so committed to self-owns on a random gaming forum, different strokes for different folks I guess!