It's almost as if I'm the cause of all this shit right fenderp?

It has nothing to do with history, WW2, cold war, NATO expansion, NATO's bid for Ukraine / Georgia membership, Euromaidan, etc

LMFAO GTFO you clown. The only reason you're here is to trash post and call people boot lickers. You're like a broken record all day long.

I'm in favor of attempts always being made, whether likely to succeed or not, dialogue is important to finding out what the other side will accept. I doubt very much either Ukraine or Russia achieves its ultimate goals in all of this, so to me the path to ending it is having them both sit down and negotiate.

In my opinion Russia has and always will have the clear advantage and unless the west it willing to give Ukraine weapons that could threaten Russia than it always will. I don't think the west will give Ukraine the weapons it actually needs to "beat" Russia because that would be risking nuclear war which i don't think they are interested in.

I think the debate of whether or not to negotiate in a war that's killed hundreds of thousands of people is meaningful. And of course their intentions are clear, as are Ukraines by loading up on western arms, they are both committed to this war, which to me is more evidence that there should be negotiations happening. It's only going to get worse and it's not just a matter of people dying either, the country is being ruined, it was already the poorest in Europe and now its been ravaged by war and indebted to multiple countries.

no, ferdia only reads the parts that he wants to - just like all the other pootin apologists he's eager to blame "both sides", even though it is blatantly obvious who is the main culprit, who started this war by repeatedly invading a foreign, sovereign country.

in reality, neither the UK nor the US would object to russia withdrawing from all ukrainian territory and ending this war. the whole "uKrAiNiAnS dOn'T wAnT / aReN't aLLoWeD tO nEgOtiAtE pEaCe" talking point, which is so popular amongst pootin bootlickers, is based on the notion that they negotiate which parts of ukraine they cede to russia for now, until pootin attacks again and takes the rest. of course no one wants THAT kind of "pEaCe", that's insanity. russia repeatedly showed they will come back for more: first crimea, then donbas, then the whole ukraine...

if russia actually desired just PEACE, they could have it tomorrow - and everybody knows that. all they have to do is leave ukraine. it's really that simple. but of course they don't want that. so they keep pushing those lies and misrepresentations, and dumb people fall for it...

lying again, i see. ukraine and georgia asked NATO to join (i wonder why?!). THEY asked, not the other way around - not that it justified russia repeatedly invading ukraine either way... they are independent, sovereign nations. if their people want to join NATO, they are allowed to do that. i know you don't get that concept, but any halfway intelligent person understands it.

let me try to put it in terms even you might understand by making an analogy to your personal life: if your ex-boyfriend (ukraine) wants to hook up with someone you don't like (NATO), they are allowed to do that. you (russia) might not like it, you might think you have some kind of say in what they can do or not, but you don't. tough luck. your relationship (soviet union) is over. it's in the past. you are now separated (independent countries). neither of you has the right to tell the other one what to do.

Lol that's rude. I hope this idea isn't made in China btw.



This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jan 26 2023 05:22pm

This is a Russia/Ukraine thread. The title is literally Russia/Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

This is what you constantly do.
I believe your software needs updated comrade. Contact Dmitri immediately.

so we can't talk about Rishi Sunak ?

I can agree that Russia should and probably still does have an advantage. Do you Russia has applied its advantage definitively upto this point?

I would argue that if they had, the war would be over already.

While I might agree with what you've said. As I pointed out. It is hypothetical.
In reality negotiations are far from possible.

There are minimum requirements for negotiations to even be considered.

Are you ok?

negotiating should at all times be possible, as should dialogue. ultimately the ukrainian government is of the view that there will be no negotiating (and the US and England have supported no negotiating), therefore there can only be absolute victory or absolute defeat. to put this into context, a professional poker player would play with 5% of his total earnings, to allow for wins and losses, he does not bet all his money on a position, which is what ukraine has done here, and which is what i completely disagree with.



its not safe to respond to that user btw, but you probably already know that by now. i just ignore him.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 26 2023 05:35pm