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Mar 17 2022 01:11pm
Quote (Norlander @ Mar 17 2022 02:08pm)
Why should I agree with propaganda?


i took from your criticism of putin that it makes sense not to support him, i havent gotten the same feeling about you with Ukraine.
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Mar 17 2022 01:13pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Mar 17 2022 06:20am)
I think you are better at selling household vacuum cleaners than defending Russia aka Putin's agression and war crimes.


So, when the ICBMs are reducing millions of people around the world to an ash shadow in an instant, are you still going to die on the hill of the beliefs which you've tied inexorably to your identity, or will you then, maybe, just maybe, question that you may have been wrong?
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Mar 17 2022 01:16pm
Quote (Norlander @ Mar 17 2022 06:55pm)
To participate in a fratricidal war? I'm not supporting any side of this conflict which started long before Feb, 24th. Yet nobody cared.


I'd kill the Welsh if they attacked us, I wouldn't like it but you have to defend yourself. Especially when your democracy is at risk of being replaced with a puppet regime

Yes, we didn't care much, because our governments valued gas, oil and the money of oligarchs more than Ukraine's territorial integrity. It was a mistake and we won't make it again.
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Mar 17 2022 01:20pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 17 Mar 2022 22:11)
i took from your criticism of putin that it makes sense not to support him, i havent gotten the same feeling about you with Ukraine.


I'm against the war. The longer it lasts the more grief and sorrow it brings. Sooner or later it will affect my family in Western Ukraine. I can't send them any aid because of Russian Post, can't send them money because of sanctions, can't go there. All I can do is to spread the truth and open somebody's eyes.
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Mar 17 2022 01:22pm
Quote (Norlander @ Mar 17 2022 06:29pm)
No food, no medicine, nobody cares. Seems like said countries gonna fight to the last Ukrainian soldier.


i only posted the military aid, i edited out all the food aid etc.

also I agree with Norlander's overall view.

in addition, I acknowledge there is neither appetite nor will (either here or) in the west for any blame (or soul searching). However, while I am moving on my beliefs that the west is predominantly to blame here are unchanged, i.e. just because few agree with me, does not mean that we am wrong. there was no need to go the whole nato route. Ukraine would have prospered without it. but i dont want to waste my time on that discussion (again) when the outcome is already known, and the point is not to change peoples minds but rather to open them. if most countries on the planet are aportioning 100% of the blame on russia, and it makes them comfortable at night, well thats on them not me.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 17 2022 01:43pm
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Mar 17 2022 01:28pm
Quote (ferdia @ 17 Mar 2022 22:22)
i only posted the military aid, i edited out all the food aid etc.


Here's an Ukrainian blogger in Spain which helping people with medicine or food mostly of his own money

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCVPYbobPRzz0SjinWekjUBw
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Mar 17 2022 01:39pm
that video is not about medicine or food though, did you not mean to link another video ?
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Mar 17 2022 01:49pm
Quote (Norlander @ Mar 17 2022 02:20pm)
I'm against the war. The longer it lasts the more grief and sorrow it brings. Sooner or later it will affect my family in Western Ukraine. I can't send them any aid because of Russian Post, can't send them money because of sanctions, can't go there. All I can do is to spread the truth and open somebody's eyes.


Im not pro war either, but in reality for it to end someone needs to force the other side into submission. you cant expect either side at this point to quit, that time has long past.
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Mar 17 2022 01:53pm
Quote (Nibthebarb @ 17 Mar 2022 19:13)
So, when the ICBMs are reducing millions of people around the world to an ash shadow in an instant, are you still going to die on the hill of the beliefs which you've tied inexorably to your identity, or will you then, maybe, just maybe, question that you may have been wrong?


Putin's lovers have some kind of Stockholm syndrome.
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Mar 17 2022 01:53pm
Quote (ferdia @ 17 Mar 2022 20:22)
i only posted the military aid, i edited out all the food aid etc.

also I agree with Norlander's overall view.

in addition, I acknowledge there is neither appetite nor will (either here or) in the west for any blame (or soul searching). However, while I am moving on my beliefs that the west is predominantly to blame here are unchanged, i.e. just because few agree with me, does not mean that we am wrong. there was no need to go the whole nato route. Ukraine would have prospered without it. but i dont want to waste my time on that discussion (again) when the outcome is already known, and the point is not to change peoples minds but rather to open them. if most countries on the planet are aportioning 100% of the blame on russia, and it makes them comfortable at night, well thats on them not me.


and literally no one is surprised...
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