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Jan 24 2023 06:21am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 24 2023 01:09pm)
The destruction of Russia ? No, who said this ? You. Destruction of its central power enventually. As a reminder what is under attack atm is Ukraine. Again.

Do not even try to insult me or to attack me because i'm french; as a reminder you are even refusing to tell us your own country.


You have repeatedly called for the "destruction of Russia" is this topic.

Just a few posts back you're throwing in all kind of stuff that happened ages ago which has nothing to do with the Ukraine / Russia conflict.

Hence I said that's the same as if I would be posting shit about France, what you guys did in North Africa for example (shame on you, really).

This has NOTHING to do with me or where I'm from, I'm just pointing out your reasoning is flawed. Bookmarking this as per usual, come at me
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Quote (Djunior @ 24 Jan 2023 13:21)
You have repeatedly called for the "destruction of Russia" is this topic.

Just a few posts back you're throwing in all kind of stuff that happened ages ago which has nothing to do with the Ukraine / Russia conflict.

Hence I said that's the same as if I would be posting shit about France, what you guys did in North Africa for example (shame on you, really).

This has NOTHING to do with me or where I'm from, I'm just pointing out your reasoning is flawed. Bookmarking this as per usual, come at me



Please do not put words in my mouth, I said eventually that Russia has to be diminished. I never wanted to "destroy" Russia / mass killing or shit like this. It is actually a forum violation to call for mass murder.

Also stop - very - hazardous comparisons based on personal attacks (because im french, and you did that a dozen of times) while you are even hidding your own country (rly sad to act like this)

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Please do not put words in my mouth, I said eventually that Russia has to be diminished. I never wanted to "destroy" Russia / mass killing or shit like this. It is actually a forum violation to call for mass murder.

Also stop - very - hazardous comparisons based on personal attacks (because im french, and you did that a dozen of times) while you are even hidding your own country (rly sad to act like this)


Bold: Did I ever say that? No.

I said you've called for the "destruction of Russia". And you've used other terms too, sure. Dismantling / finishing, and probably more.

I'm not hiding my country, JSP members do NOT NEED to state where they're from and you bloody well know that. You've got NOTHING on me, zero ;)

Try again to start something against me just like you tried last time, good luck with that (I got all your shit bookmarked) and if you're this childish to try that again then I will make a case against YOU

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Quote (Djunior @ Jan 24 2023 11:09am)
So you guys got a source to prove that claim?


(The Claim made was that Zelensky was elected on a promise of lasting peace with Russia, among other things)

I see everyone posting links left right and center, i am a bit jealous. unfortunately i will be suspended if i post any links since someone in here keeps reporting my posts. however this can be googled via various sources.

wilsoncentre:

"Zelensky and his team of “new faces”—politicians of the generation that had grown up during the era of independence and who were not connected to the old ways of getting things done, which too often involved cronyism and deal-making—were tasked by voters to achieve three goals: (1) peace in the Donbas, (2) economic betterment for ordinary Ukrainians, and (3) a noncorrupt and responsive government.

In 2019–2020 Zelensky’s team put forth an enormous effort to address the first and most important requisite, resolving the situation in the Donbas."

wiki:

"During his presidential campaign, Zelenskyy promised to end Ukraine's protracted conflict with Russia, and he has attempted to engage in dialogue with Russian president Vladimir Putin.[9] His administration faced an escalation of tensions with Russia in 2021, culminating in the launch of an ongoing full-scale Russian invasion in February 2022. Zelenskyy's strategy during the Russian military buildup was to calm the Ukrainian populace and assure the international community that Ukraine was not seeking to retaliate.[10] He initially distanced himself from warnings of an imminent war, while also calling for security guarantees and military support from NATO to "withstand" the threat.[11] After the start of the invasion, Zelenskyy declared martial law across Ukraine and a general mobilisation of the armed forces. His leadership during the crisis has won him widespread international praise, and he has been described as a symbol of the Ukrainian resistance.[12][13] Zelenskyy was named the Time Person of the Year for 2022 and opinion polls in Ukraine have ranked him as Ukraine's greatest president."

weforum:

"Volodymyr Zelensky won with the highest voter support in the history of independent Ukraine in a contested race. He is the sixth president of Ukraine, in contrast to Russia, where power really switched hands only twice since the fall of the Soviet Union. With endorsement across all but one region of Ukraine, his victory is a revolution by ballot. Zelensky’s victory represents a backlash against the system most Ukrainians believe is rigged. Perceived as a new face with no toxic political baggage, Zelensky’s campaign created huge expectations for change. It is inevitable that some disillusionment will follow—in the same way that many of the high expectations that followed the 2014 Revolution of Dignity were not realized.

What Ukrainians fundamentally desire is a better functioning democracy, an end to a protracted war with Russia, and economic relief. Poroshenko’s team has made important steps when it comes to the latter, especially in public procurement, and the banking and energy sectors. It is crucial that Mr Zelensky protects these achievements of the post-Euromaidan leadership."

brookings:

"Zelensky has described in generalities a readiness to negotiate with Putin but with the goal of recovering all Russian-occupied territories; support for joining the European Union and NATO; and a desire to end corruption and fully liberalize the economy. His supporters—who include several noted reformers—describe a Russia-wary, pro-Western candidate who will put fighting corruption at the top of his agenda. Some suggest Zelensky would take a hard line with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and its conditions. That could prove tricky. Ukraine needs financing, and no bank matches IMF rates."

there are various other sides where you can read about his mandate.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 24 2023 07:35am
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Jan 24 2023 07:37am
So if someone has an opinion or extra information or source regarding serfdom history in Russia: do not hesitate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_serfdom
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-Russian-people-put-up-with-serfdom-for-so-long?share=1

I will be glad to have a feedback/opinion from someone who had some reading on this.



Quote (Djunior @ 24 Jan 2023 13:50)
Bold: Did I ever say that? No.
I said you've called for the "destruction of Russia". And you've used other terms too, sure. Dismantling / finishing, and probably more.
I'm not hiding my country, JSP members do NOT NEED to state where they're from and you bloody well know that. You've got NOTHING on me, zero ;)
Try again to start something against me just like you tried last time, good luck with that (I got all your shit bookmarked) and if you're this childish to try that again then I will make a case against YOU


You can please yourself with baseless bookmarks, np, just don't show that to children. Please stick on topic ( and "mark my words" :lol: )

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unfortunately i will be suspended if i post any links since someone in here keeps reporting my posts. however this can be googled via various sources.


You can posts quotes from articles without linking, like

Quote
Quote from article


I've already asked google but haven't found what you claimed so go ahead and post it pls

I did find this however:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

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On the campaign trail, Zelenskiy pledged to clean up Ukraine’s oligarch-dominated ruling system. And he railed against politicians such as the wealthy incumbent Petro Poroshenko who hid their assets offshore. The message worked. Zelenskiy won 73% of the vote and now sits in a cavernous office in the capital, Kyiv, decorated with gilded stucco ceilings.


This article by The Guardian points out that Zelensky won a landslide victory because he promised to deal with the oligarchs, not because he was elected on a mandate of peace and reconciliation.

Juicy details: Zelensky himself is hiding offshore wealth.

(btw and should check the article, Ukrainian corruption / oligarchs, lol)

Edit: weird that hasn't posted a source, wasn't that his claim?

This post was edited by Djunior on Jan 24 2023 07:43am
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Jan 24 2023 02:37pm)

You can please yourself with baseless bookmarks, np, just don't show that to children. Please stick on topic ( "mark my words" we need more like this :lol: )


That's right, you got nothing. Just your childish remarks that don't bother me at all.

cya, lol
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Quote (Djunior @ Jan 24 2023 01:38pm)
...This article by The Guardian points out that Zelensky won a landslide victory because he promised to deal with the oligarchs, not because he was elected on a mandate of peace and reconciliation.


To be precise, that article listed one of Zelensky's election promises. There were 3 key promises:

1. Ending the war in the Donbas; establish a ceasefire.
2. Ending Corruption and providing Good Governance.
3. Economic Growth

www.google.com

ps The Guardian used to be very good, i still read from it, but I accept that alot of its articles are opinionated or slanted to provide information in a certain way. unfortunately shit-posting article (rather then proper news) is a global "pandemic" by this point.

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To be precise, that article listed one of Zelensky's election promises. There were 3 key promises:

1. Ending the war in the Donbas is to establish a ceasefire.
2. Ending Corruption and providing Good Governance.
3. Economic Growth

www.google.com


Djunior posted an article that is behind a paywall btw.

You should not be afraid of posting links, just check if these do not contain nudity or shocking content on the right column for tabloids like in the daily mail (i guess it is what caused you issues). Told you about this two times already.

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Regarding Zelenskyy tax evasion, we have it all in the wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

In October 2021, the Pandora Papers revealed that Zelenskyy and his chief aide and the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Ivan Bakanov operated a network of offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands, Cyprus, and Belize. These companies included some that owned expensive London property. Around the time of his 2019 election, Zelenskyy handed his shares in a key offshore company over to Sergei Shefir, but the two men appear to have made an arrangement for Zelenskyy's family to continue receiving the money from these companies. Zelenskyy's election campaign had centred on pledges to clean up the government of Ukraine.

If he did that tax evasion he will have an hard time to "evade" the story after the war special operation. Would be only a big fine.

On a side note we can see that Ukrainians journalists are not flying throught the windows... Imagine 1 second a journalist talking about putin's corruption or assets in Russia . Same life expectancy than a Mexican journalist about Cartels.

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Quote (ferdia @ Jan 24 2023 02:45pm)
To be precise, that article listed one of Zelensky's election promises. There were 3 key promises:

1. Ending the war in the Donbas is to establish a ceasefire.
2. Ending Corruption and providing Good Governance.
3. Economic Growth

www.google.com


If that's the case it's clear that "he was elected on a mandate of peace and reconciliation" is incorrect, there were three promises then.

Looking at those three promises I think it all failed hard although he did take action to decrease the influence of the Ukrainian oligarchs.


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